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 Post Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:36 pm 
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JadedDragoon wrote:
And requiring each player only contribute a card to one hand would mean it would take 15 players per team just to field three hands. Marbits still wouldn't have a full set of hands. Not even sure we gobwins would.


It'd be much harder to keep track of, too. Every time you got a new card and recalculated what your best hand would be, you'd have to figure out how that hand affected the other two decks.

If it were just a matter of balance, we could try to split the difference (have each player able to contribute to two hands), but that'd have the same computational problems as having each player only contribute one card, as well as being a lot less intuitive than either "one card per deck" or "one card total."

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     Post Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2018 8:40 pm 
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    It's not really a balance issue though. The imbalance this month has to do with other factors. It's the issue of both teams inevitably getting royal flushes that we are trying to avoid. But balancer being on the fritz this month may have contributed to Gobwin hands growing so strong so soon. We'll have to wait till next month to be sure. Of course... none of that is actually up to me.

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     Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:16 am 
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    Here are my 2 cards.


    Collected Source Value Suit Deck Card ID

    04/15/2018 Toolshed Reward 8 Diamonds Blue 28064

    04/15/2018 Toolshed Reward 4 Clubs Blue 28065

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     Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 9:38 am 
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    Thaddius1000 wrote:
    Here are my 2 cards.


    Collected Source Value Suit Deck Card ID

    04/15/2018 Toolshed Reward 8 Diamonds Blue 28064

    04/15/2018 Toolshed Reward 4 Clubs Blue 28065


    Thank you. :-) Unfortunately, we can't use Toolshed Reward cards for the poker game... only mined cards. But every card can make a difference so if you mine one be sure to let us know.

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     Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:04 am 
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    Red Deck 9 of Hearts for the Gobwins.

    Hearts
    Value: 9
    Deck: Red
    Owner: Skull the Troll
    Source Mined
    ID 28364

    As for the possiblility that we end up with a tie again, the easiest thing to do would be to have the first deck to report the hand wins it. That would also prevent people from holding onto their spins in order to try to game the balancer.

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     Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:21 am 
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    Suit: Diamonds
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    Deck: Blue
    Owner: JadedDragoon
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     Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:44 pm 
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    And Red saves the world!

    Ok well... maybe not the whole world.... just... well... those of us that find compiling lists of card ids to be particularly onerous.

    Card ids are now part of the card list in our user profiles. Lay eyes upon the wonderment:

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    You can get to your user profile by clicking on your username in the upper right:

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    So, as of now, those of us with particularly large card hauls may simply copy and paste from their user profiles to report their cards like so (removing ineligible cards, of course):

    04/16/2018 Mined [28342] Q Diamonds Blue
    04/14/2018 Mined [17423] 10 Clubs Red
    04/10/2018 Mined [17002] 6 Spades Black
    04/10/2018 Mined [17001] 7 Diamonds Blue
    04/08/2018 Mined [16731] 9 Clubs Black
    04/07/2018 Mined [16584] 10 Clubs Red
    04/06/2018 Mined [16361] 9 Spades Blue
    04/06/2018 Mined [16360] Q Diamonds Red
    04/05/2018 Mined [16307] 3 Diamonds Red

    You don't have to take out all the line breaks when you paste it either. It's just a little harder to read if you don't:
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    04/16/2018
    Mined [28342]
    Q
    Diamonds
    Blue

    04/14/2018
    Mined [17423]
    10
    Clubs
    Red

    04/10/2018
    Mined [17002]
    6
    Spades
    Black

    04/10/2018
    Mined [17001]
    7
    Diamonds
    Blue

    04/08/2018
    Mined [16731]
    9
    Clubs
    Black

    04/07/2018
    Mined [16584]
    10
    Clubs
    Red

    04/06/2018
    Mined [16361]
    9
    Spades
    Blue

    04/06/2018
    Mined [16360]
    Q
    Diamonds
    Red

    04/05/2018
    Mined [16307]
    3
    Diamonds
    Red


    Should make things much easier.

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     Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:34 pm 
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    Gobwin
    Black Spades King
    Red Diamonds Jack
    Blue Clubs Seven

    Suit: Spades
    Value: K
    Deck: Black
    Owner: Argok
    Source Mined (4/13/18)
    ID 17362

    Suit: Diamonds
    Value: J
    Deck: Red
    Owner: Argok
    Source Mined (4/16/18)
    ID 28437

    Suit: Clubs
    Value: 7
    Deck: Blue
    Owner: Argok
    Source Mined (4/2/18)
    ID 16090

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     Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:05 pm 
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    Argok wrote:
    Gobwin


    Welcome to the tribe. :-)

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    Argok wrote:
    Gobwin
    Black Spades King
    Red Diamonds Jack
    Blue Clubs Seven

    Suit: Spades
    Value: K
    Deck: Black
    Owner: Argok
    Source Mined (4/13/18)
    ID 17362

    Suit: Diamonds
    Value: J
    Deck: Red
    Owner: Argok
    Source Mined (4/16/18)
    ID 28437

    Suit: Clubs
    Value: 7
    Deck: Blue
    Owner: Argok
    Source Mined (4/2/18)
    ID 16090


    Holy Crap! Look at all those badges and ONE forum post. Welcome indeed!

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     Post Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:11 pm 
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    Collected Source Value Suit Deck
    04/16/2018 Mined [28457] 2 Diamonds Black
    04/14/2018 Mined [17408] 4 Clubs Black
    04/12/2018 Mined [17217] 4 Spades Blue
    04/12/2018 Mined [17186] K Hearts Black
    04/11/2018 Mined [17103] K Clubs Black

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     Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 4:15 am 
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    Two or three more cards for the Gobwins, depending on how you count them:

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    Collected     Source   Value   Suit       Deck      ID
    04/15/2018    Mined    5       Spades     Red       28331
    04/15/2018    Mined    9       Diamonds   Red       28330
    04/13/2018    Mined    9       Diamonds   Red       17268


    All cards mined this month:
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    Collected     Source   Value   Suit       Deck      ID
    04/15/2018    Mined    5       Spades     Red       28331
    04/15/2018    Mined    9       Diamonds   Red       28330
    04/13/2018    Mined    9       Diamonds   Red       17268
    04/10/2018    Mined    10      Spades     Blue      17056
    04/10/2018    Mined    J       Hearts     Black     16955
    04/06/2018    Mined    8       Clubs      Red       16397
    04/06/2018    Mined    Q       Spades     Blue      16359
    04/05/2018    Mined    4       Diamonds   Red       16318
    04/03/2018    Mined    Q       Diamonds   Blue      16201


    And now for the exciting part! My best-spotted hands! I welcome anybody who can find better to do so!

    Black deck
    Full house - Kings full of Queens
    (Marginal improvement over previous Queens full of Kings)

    K♣ XXXXX viewtopic.php?p=239103#p239103 Balder
    K♥ 17186 viewtopic.php?p=240476#p240476 Cryptomancer
    K♠ 17362 viewtopic.php?p=240465#p240465 Argok
    Q♣ 16508 viewtopic.php?p=239293#p239293 kiyote
    Q♦ 16461 viewtopic.php?p=238800#p238800 Wolfgangs246

    Blue deck
    Full House - Queens full of Kings
    (Previous was Tens full of Fours)

    Q♣ 17071 viewtopic.php?p=239905#p239905 Cryptomancer
    Q♦ 16201 viewtopic.php?p=239859#p239859 FordPrfct
    Q♠ 17369 viewtopic.php?p=240307#p240307 gimli_mx
    K♣ 16802 viewtopic.php?p=239560#p239560 jpa469
    K♦ 17422 viewtopic.php?p=240324#p240324 ANGLVD3TH


    Red deck
    ROYAL FLUSH OF DIAMONDS
    (Previous was Aces full of Queens)

    A♦ 17076 viewtopic.php?p=239886#p239886 Skull the Troll
    K♦ 16343 viewtopic.php?p=239410#p239410 Cryptomancer
    Q♦ 16360 viewtopic.php?p=239167#p239167 JadedDragoon
    J♦ 28437 viewtopic.php?p=240465#p240465 Argok
    10♦ 16503 viewtopic.php?p=239280#p239280 xtrapwr


    Just for kicks, I decided to try to see what we could do, if each person could only contribute to one hand, rather than one of each deck color. If that were the case, this is the best I can currently see:

    Red - Royal Flush of Diamonds
    Ad - Skull the Troll
    Kd - Cryptomancer
    Qd - JadedDragoon
    Jd - Argok
    10d - xtrapwr

    Blue - Two pair, Kings and Queens, Ace kicker
    Qd - FordPrfct
    Qs - The Rats
    Kc - jpa469
    Kd - ANGLVD3TH
    As - forgottenfables

    Black - Flush of Clubs
    Kc - Balder
    Qc - kiyote
    Jc - Sereg
    7c - Windscion
    6c - Wolfgangs246

    The problem I am seeing with this one, is that, because of the interdependencies, it is hard to say what the "best" would be. For instance, I could make the Blue deck a Full House, at the expense of the Black deck. Which might beat the 'Bits. Or, depending on how they arranged theirs, it might be the other way around.

    I could even see a circular thing, where each side can rearrange to beat the other, without a definitive victor. Like one side has Rock, so the other side makes Paper. So first makes Scissors. Except that second can also make Rock. So now *first* makes Paper. And so forth.

    Also, at this time, I count 10 unique Marbits and 21 unique Gobwins. So the Marbits could, at best, put together two hands (except they couldn't, because they have three that are Blue deck only, two Black deck only, and two Red deck only). I don't know how much of this is the balancer not balancing things quite right, versus how much of it is just plain Luckamancy. But I don't think it would be fun to automatically win just because we could field three hands to their one.

    I don't know what the best answer is, but I don't think that "one card per player, for the whole month" is it.

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     Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:18 am 
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    I count 13 <O> card-contributors
    and 21 ]8\ card-contributors
    so far.

    Hand updates for the Marbits:
    Black Hand: 7 Straight
    <3 7 17397 viewtopic.php?p=240342#p240342 divreon
    <3 6 16316 viewtopic.php?p=239603#p239603 Ripple
    <3 5 17443 viewtopic.php?p=240037#p240037 Linsaran
    (^) 4 17416 viewtopic.php?p=240364#p240364 Yshl
    <3-- 3 28279 viewtopic.php?p=240396#p240396 dethmorne

    Red Hand: Spade Flush, Queen High
    <3-- Q 16150 viewtopic.php?p=239566#p239566 Orion Guardian
    <3-- 9 16342 viewtopic.php?p=239566#p239566 Nimelennar
    <3-- 6 28466 viewtopic.php?p=240479#p240479 Knott
    <3-- 3 16161 viewtopic.php?p=239566#p239566 Ripple
    <3-- 2 17123 viewtopic.php?p=240037#p240037 Linsaran

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     Post Posted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 10:06 pm 
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    FordPrfct wrote:
    Just for kicks, I decided to try to see what we could do, if each person could only contribute to one hand, rather than one of each deck color. If that were the case, this is the best I can currently see:

    Red - Royal Flush of Diamonds
    Ad - Skull the Troll
    Kd - Cryptomancer
    Qd - JadedDragoon
    Jd - Argok
    10d - xtrapwr

    Blue - Two pair, Kings and Queens, Ace kicker
    Qd - FordPrfct
    Qs - The Rats
    Kc - jpa469
    Kd - ANGLVD3TH
    As - forgottenfables

    Black - Flush of Clubs
    Kc - Balder
    Qc - kiyote
    Jc - Sereg
    7c - Windscion
    6c - Wolfgangs246

    The problem I am seeing with this one, is that, because of the interdependencies, it is hard to say what the "best" would be. For instance, I could make the Blue deck a Full House, at the expense of the Black deck. Which might beat the 'Bits. Or, depending on how they arranged theirs, it might be the other way around.

    I could even see a circular thing, where each side can rearrange to beat the other, without a definitive victor. Like one side has Rock, so the other side makes Paper. So first makes Scissors. Except that second can also make Rock. So now *first* makes Paper. And so forth.

    Also, at this time, I count 10 unique Marbits and 21 unique Gobwins. So the Marbits could, at best, put together two hands (except they couldn't, because they have three that are Blue deck only, two Black deck only, and two Red deck only). I don't know how much of this is the balancer not balancing things quite right, versus how much of it is just plain Luckamancy. But I don't think it would be fun to automatically win just because we could field three hands to their one.

    I don't know what the best answer is, but I don't think that "one card per player, for the whole month" is it.


    Agreed on all counts.

    I feel like the best option atm is to wait and see what happens in a more balanced month. Failing that, however, we may need to look at Mutual Annihilation of Tied Hands. Basically the idea there would be if all three hands manage to tie (or, perhaps, any hand) then the cards in all tied hands would be eliminated from their respective card pools and new hands formed from the cards that remain. If all three hands (or any) tied again, repeat until they don't. This would get at the heart of the problem: too many viable cards in each card pool. But, again, this is not up to me.

    We'll see.

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    Read 'em and weep Gobs.

    Best Blue hand is now ours.

    Blue Deck - Ten-High Straight Flush in Hearts:

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    Nimelennar wrote:
    Read 'em and weep Gobs.

    Best Blue hand is now ours.

    Blue Deck - Ten-High Straight Flush in Hearts:

    Quote:



    I've updated the results post to reflect this. The score stands at 2 to 1, Gobwins still lead.

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    And two more April Gobwin cards:

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    Collected Source Value Suit Deck

    04/18/2018 Mined [28563] A Spades Blue


    04/14/2018 Mined [17405] A Clubs Black

    :)

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    Erfbeer wrote:
    And two more April Gobwin cards:

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    Collected Source Value Suit Deck

    04/18/2018 Mined [28563] A Spades Blue


    04/14/2018 Mined [17405] A Clubs Black

    :)


    Interesting....

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    Adding mine for the marbits:


    Code:
    Date            Source   Card #    Suit          Deck       Card ID
    04/09/2018        Mined      Q           Clubs        Red      [16814]
    04/11/2018        Mined      2           Clubs           Blue     [17090]
    04/18/2018        Mined      5           Hearts       Blue     [28575]
    04/18/2018        Mined    5           Spades      Blue     [28576]
    04/18/2018           Mined     7           Diamonds  Red      [28577]
    04/19/2018        Mined  10           Clubs         Blue     [28628]

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    Calith wrote:
    Adding mine for the marbits:


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    Date            Source   Card #    Suit          Deck       Card ID
    04/09/2018        Mined      Q           Clubs        Red      [16814]
    04/11/2018        Mined      2           Clubs           Blue     [17090]
    04/18/2018        Mined      5           Hearts       Blue     [28575]
    04/18/2018        Mined    5           Spades      Blue     [28576]
    04/18/2018           Mined     7           Diamonds  Red      [28577]
    04/19/2018        Mined  10           Clubs         Blue     [28628]


    Nice haul! That should be a big help for marbits.

    That said, your Marbit brethren have decided to make their own thread here. Which I see you've already found. :-) Any card posts for Marbits should go over there.

    Just posting this so any newcomers will be aware.

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