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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    Parson only has himself to blame for the loss of the treasury, never mind that his orders were perfidious and evil, he had the bracer he could have run the numbers with.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    Oh Wanda. You may not have the power to fight Fate, and it would be unwise to just ignore it, but it's foolish to just blindly obey it as well. There probably are ways to make Fate work for you. The miss would have more than likely eaten up some of Charlescomm's luckamancy stores.

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    Parson only has himself toblame for the loss of the treasury, never mind that his orders were perfidious and evil, he had the bracer he could have run the numbers with.

    You've been saying stuff along these lines, and also stated that Parson has abused Wanda and treated her like a slave. Could you point me to an example of him enslaving her? Or are you just trying to create a discussion?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    Wanda's religion indeed.

    What's with the name calling already? Usually the first few posts relate to the comic before it degenerates into randomness. The treasury isn't even a topic of the comic.

    Parson needs to shut Wanda down. Leave the warlording to the warlord.

    This is Book 0 coming back to haunt.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    I'm loving the background casters just popping in and out of their respective capitals. Quite fun.

    Hopefully nobody is paying too much attention to Charlescomm's portal...

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    So Wanda stopping Lilith was indeed about her Fate BS, though not exactly the way I expected.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    Really love how the foolamancy is portrayed via the translucent effect <3

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    omg I see... 'the one who knocks' in the third panel. (not the inset panel)

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    Wanda really learned nothing from Parson's speech, huh? Just because you are fated to win doesn't mean can't lose. Parson probably could walk through the Portal, but he'd be forced to croak a lot of Archons on his way to Charlie, and that would DESTROY GK.

    But Wanda doesn't care.

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    That moment when you don't know whether Wanda is just blind with this Fate thing or she's blatantly trying to croak Parson.

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    Also, I hope when Maggie wakes up, she teases Parson about grabbing her ass.

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    Lipkin wrote:
    Wanda really learned nothing from Parson's speech, huh? Just because you are fated to win doesn't mean can't lose. Parson probably could walk through the Portal, but he'd be forced to croak a lot of Archons on his way to Charlie, and that would DESTROY GK.

    But Wanda doesn't care.

    Plus, just because Charlie will (probably) be croaked by a perfect warlord eventually, it doesn't have to be by today, or even by Parson specifically. And that would give Charlie plenty of opportunity to hamper Parson's fate, such as by damaging his mind.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 105
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    Feral Partypus wrote:
    That moment when you don't know whether Wanda is just blind with this Fate thing or she's blatantly trying to croak Parson.


    Wanda fought the whole fate thing as hard as she could. But no one is more zealous than a convert. :/

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    Seems like a legitimate reason. Actually, Lilith's super-crit and tearing apart the Fox-Forcers guarding Charlie makes sense in that regard as a way for Fate to toss a bunch of numbers her way while ultimately balancing things out to fail in an attempt on Charlie himself. - Of course, that Lilith didn't take the shot was rather wasteful of all that accumulated poor fortune.

    Mind, if she'd only wounded Charlie, that would have meant that Gobwin Knob would have entered unit/city reparation territory for the contract, and who knows how that would have worked for them?

    Still, just walking through the portal makes a lot of sense from Wanda's perspective. Parson really could have done this from the very beginning, perhaps its even the reason he has that ability. If Fate truly is impossible to defeat, then by extension Parson is as well. He could walk through that portal and Natural-20s his way to Charlie and beat him to death bare-handed if he had to. Of course, if Book 0 is any indication, the numbers have to balance out in the end. Jojo pointed that out as well, that all that improbable luck would come crashing down the moment he succeeded in fulfilling Fate's directives.

    Perhaps though, that's the point of Parson. He's being used as a board-clearer by a higher power, one that intends to remove him right after. There's a few indications of that, the line about Erfworld not being the world he wished for, but rather one that wished for him, the fact that he was able to swear after 'rejecting' his role in the world, heck, the fact that Erfworld went out of its way to equip him for battle with the sword of Ruthlessness. When Parson did reject his role, the world just found another way to thrust him into the spotlight with the reversal at Spacerock.

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    Infidel wrote:
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    That moment when you don't know whether Wanda is just blind with this Fate thing or she's blatantly trying to croak Parson.


    Wanda fought the whole fate thing as hard as she could. But no one is more zealous than a convert. :/


    Agreed! That's a pretty central facet to Wanda. People forget that there was a time when she fought back, when she resisted, and how it wasn't just her, but everyone she knew and loved that suffered for it. She didn't just pop knowing the 'easy way' was the way to go. She tried to do things the hard way first, and beaten down for it.

    She believes because she's experienced it. She knows what it is to be on the right side of Fate, and the wrong side. She saw the most powerful side in the world annihilated by a single warlord and a few casters from a nowhere mercenary bubble side against all odds. Her own existence in Erfworld is so remarkable, so improbable, going so far, surviving so much, only to meet her destiny in getting the pliers. The sheer ridiculousness of the unlikelihood behind it all... I'd believe too if I'd walked her path.

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    Wanda is right. If Lilith had wounded Charlie, Charlescom would have automagically turned her to pay for the treaty violation.

    She probably could have handled the disagreement with Maggie better though, to say the least. Not a very good team player.

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    victor227 wrote:
    If Fate truly is impossible to defeat, then by extension Parson is as well. He could walk through that portal and Natural-20s his way to Charlie and beat him to death bare-handed if he had to. Of course, if Book 0 is any indication, the numbers have to balance out in the end. Jojo pointed that out as well, that all that improbable luck would come crashing down the moment he succeeded in fulfilling Fate's directives.

    The thing is, Fate may be impossible for immortals to stop, but it looks like it can be delayed, even indefinitely. Look at Jillian. Fate won't let her die, but Charlie's brain tampering is making it very difficult for her to achieve her destiny.

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    Even if Wanda is right, the way she goes about things is all wrong.
    She should have told Parson this long ago. Parson would have listened. He might not have taken her word as absolute, but he would have investigated. And he probably would not have had Maggie make the shot at Charlie.

    And Lilith would have missed? So what? When fate protects people it seems to do it at a cost. So even if Charlie did survive it would have still had an effect that had negative consequences for Charlescom. The best tactic is always the best strategic option. And Parson rushing into the portal will not be the best option. That is so unlikely to succeed that he probably wouldn't. He would get captured, or cause the end of GK. And he would have to wait another long time before he has a chance to make an attempt again.

    And Wanda could have said to Maggie ,'No, fate won't allow the shot to hit.' Instead of just saying no, as if everyone should just listen to her without an explanation.

    She keeps making everything worse.

    If Parson does croak Charlie it would be from leading a large battle against Charllescomm, with a strategically sound plan, after he has learnt about Charlies defenses from the Fox Forcers.

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    sweetidealism on Page 96 wrote:
    I think I understand where Wanda is coming from. My understanding is that because Parson is fated to croak Charlie, if Lilith makes an attempt then it WILL fail. Furthermore, bad stuff would probably happen as a result of trying to defy fate.

    I kinda want to see her take the shot anyway though.


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    This update comes to mind. With Fate, there is the easy way and the hard way. Fighting fate is the hard way. But Wanda is now suggesting the very easy way, which would resul tin getting the very hard way.

    Parson could walk into the Charlescomm portal, but he'd be forced to croak Archons to get to Charlie. A lot of them. And the treaty is still in place. Pretty much he could croak Charlie at any point, but right now it would transfer all his friends to Charlescomm, and then they would disband once Charlescomm ended.

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