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    Looking forward to the discussion between JoJo and Parson!

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    Hm. Wanda's livery disappears from Downer(?)'s chest after the first panel.

    And awwww... Jojo's lost love, Lady Lazarus. I hope he doesn't take it too hard, hearing that she finally dusted. Or, er, celebrates too much hearing that that particular debt is finally paid.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    Or Parson can just rub it in; "well, she dusted, but juuuust barely, because I was delayed. So congratulations!"

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    Awww yisss, we're gonna learn about Carnymancy. Jojo might even become an ally of Gobwin Knob. I know he's a Carny, and typically they aren't trusted - but that's why I think he can be trusted, because no one else would want to bother to learn about Carnymancy.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    I suddenly find myself wondering, if/when JoJo tells Charlie about the tri-caster link, what might he infer from it? He's no stranger to links.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    Okay, color me confused. Where are they going, and just what happened between pages?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    OvaltinePatrol wrote:
    I suddenly find myself wondering, if/when JoJo tells Charlie about the tri-caster link, what might he infer from it? He's no stranger to links.

    Why would he? Jojo's only question for Parson is about Sylvia, and Parson has no reason to blab about any of the tri-links GK's been trying.

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    Okay, color me confused. Where are they going, and just what happened between pages?

    They're going to the Temple of the Thinkamancers, so Parson can arrange for the Great Minds that Think Alike to safely break the link-up from a couple of pages ago.

    As for what happened, presumably Parson agreed to hear what Jojo wanted to talk about, while ordering Downer(?) to keep a hold of him so that he's technically a prisoner.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    If he was "technically" a prisoner he'd have shackles. Rules and all. The hold he's in is probably the Erf equivalent of "auto-crit".

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    Okay, color me confused. Where are they going, and just what happened between pages?

    They're going to the Temple of the Thinkamancers, so Parson can arrange for the Great Minds that Think Alike to safely break the link-up from a couple of pages ago.

    As for what happened, presumably Parson agreed to hear what Jojo wanted to talk about, while ordering Downer(?) to keep a hold of him so that he's technically a prisoner.


    1. I asked what happened BETWEEN pages, not during. It seemed like the situation was rather powder-kegish like Downer was saying, and anything that happened to defuse it took place off panel. I would have appreciated this page having one panel covering that, if even all it was was just Morgan Freeman (Morgan Freethinker?) Thinkamancer guy saying "Knock it off!" or some turn of phrase thereof. Just saying.

    2. So they're still in at least decent graces with the Thinkamancers? Seems to me like that may wind up causing an actual schism in the MK between the Thinkamancers and the others at this rate. Talk about GW bringing war there...

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    ScottishMongol wrote:
    Awww yisss, we're gonna learn about Carnymancy. Jojo might even become an ally of Gobwin Knob. I know he's a Carny, and typically they aren't trusted - but that's why I think he can be trusted, because no one else would want to bother to learn about Carnymancy.

    I don't follow your line of thought there. That sounds like Jojo would be an honest player if he happened to meet a rare person who wants to hear about Carnymancy. I think it would take a bit more than that.

    Oh, I imagine he'd be quite willing to talk about Carnymancy (or at least some of it, because Carnymancers have secrets about their discipline, too.) I imagine a Carnymancer's favorite place is in a spotlight, and if Parson's an appreciative audience, then Jojo might keep it sincere.

    My problem is that I personally don't trust him because I still suspect that Jojo personally blames Gobwin Knob for the fall of Unaroyal, Bea, and Sylvia. I think it'll take more than a round of applause to get him to swear loyalty to a side containing Stanley, the caster that drafted Sylvia to her second death, or the warlord that ordered her first death.

    But I hope I'll be surprised. Parson applied some psychology when he talked to King Dickie, and I thought that was a smooth maneuver. If he manages to describe Sylvia as having kept her dignity or honor, then maybe that'd help for Jojo to at least forgive Gobwin Knob a little tiny bit.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    Lheticus wrote:
    1. I asked what happened BETWEEN pages, not during. It seemed like the situation was rather powder-kegish like Downer was saying, and anything that happened to defuse it took place off panel. I would have appreciated this page having one panel covering that, if even all it was was just Morgan Freeman (Morgan Freethinker?) Thinkamancer guy saying "Knock it off!" or some turn of phrase thereof. Just saying.


    My interpretation of it was that what defused the situation was Parson agreeing to talk with Jojo.

    If you look at the last panel of page 55, Gobwin Knob folks are all on edge, Artemis and Downer pointing weapons at Jojo. But Jojo just says "Hello, I want to talk with you!" He's smiling, not fighting. The next panel is him walking and talking with Parson.

    So what I'm envisioning happening is that Jojo said "Hey, I just want to talk! Nothing more!", Parson agreed to listen to him as long as Downer had Jojo in a grip, and they both walked on.

    Basically, Jojo defused it. He could have sparked a big conflict by trying to escape or by trying to attack; by submitting, he prevented a further escalation.

    That's my interpretation at least. We weren't shown anybody else being involved, so I assumed there wasn't anyone else who intervened, otherwise we would have known about it; therefore, Jojo/Parson/Downer/Artemis must have been the ones who resolved it, and the way I mentioned is what seemed like the obvious way to me.

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    2. So they're still in at least decent graces with the Thinkamancers? Seems to me like that may wind up causing an actual schism in the MK between the Thinkamancers and the others at this rate. Talk about GW bringing war there...


    Yep, I think so. They're in such good graces with the thinkamancers that Parson even knew in advance of the link that he'd be able to get their help to unravel it. A conflict in the MK over this seems quite possible...

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    Brother Mirtillo wrote:
    ScottishMongol wrote:
    Awww yisss, we're gonna learn about Carnymancy. Jojo might even become an ally of Gobwin Knob. I know he's a Carny, and typically they aren't trusted - but that's why I think he can be trusted, because no one else would want to bother to learn about Carnymancy.

    I don't follow your line of thought there. That sounds like Jojo would be an honest player if he happened to meet a rare person who wants to hear about Carnymancy. I think it would take a bit more than that.

    Oh, I imagine he'd be quite willing to talk about Carnymancy (or at least some of it, because Carnymancers have secrets about their discipline, too.) I imagine a Carnymancer's favorite place is in a spotlight, and if Parson's an appreciative audience, then Jojo might keep it sincere.

    My problem is that I personally don't trust him because I still suspect that Jojo personally blames Gobwin Knob for the fall of Unaroyal, Bea, and Sylvia. I think it'll take more than a round of applause to get him to swear loyalty to a side containing Stanley, the caster that drafted Sylvia to her second death, or the warlord that ordered her first death.

    But I hope I'll be surprised. Parson applied some psychology when he talked to King Dickie, and I thought that was a smooth maneuver. If he manages to describe Sylvia as having kept her dignity or honor, then maybe that'd help for Jojo to at least forgive Gobwin Knob a little tiny bit.


    Yeah, that's a pretty good argument as to why Jojo wouldn't like Gobwin Knob, but maybe we'll still get to learn about Carnymancy.

    Another way Parson could win over Jojo is by playing up the fact that it was Charlie's trap that got Sylvia killed. Jojo might feel some guilt about being a part of that and might want to make amends - again, it's a long shot, but possible.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 56
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    And what are the chances that Jojo planted a listening device on Parson?

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    OvaltinePatrol wrote:
    I suddenly find myself wondering, if/when JoJo tells Charlie about the tri-caster link, what might he infer from it? He's no stranger to links.

    Why would he? Jojo's only question for Parson is about Sylvia, and Parson has no reason to blab about any of the tri-links GK's been trying.


    Charlie remains the best employer of the Carnies, and Parson doesn't have to say anything about the link: the three casters holding hands, being led to Thinkamancers are plainly visible. Sizemore was an MK "rock star," and one of the others has to be a Thinkamancer. Even if JoJo doesn't know who Ace is, he can describe him. Charlie can figure stuff out from the details.

    Edit: Now I wonder if casters could fake people out by holding hands and doing their best glassy-eyed look.

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    Lheticus wrote:
    1. I asked what happened BETWEEN pages, not during. It seemed like the situation was rather powder-kegish like Downer was saying, and anything that happened to defuse it took place off panel. I would have appreciated this page having one panel covering that, if even all it was was just Morgan Freeman (Morgan Freethinker?) Thinkamancer guy saying "Knock it off!" or some turn of phrase thereof. Just saying.

    ... Parson agreed to talk with Jojo. That's what defused the immediate situation. That's all it took. I mean, also keep in mind that Jojo's a carny. Most other casters wouldn't risk their lives to save a carny.

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    2. So they're still in at least decent graces with the Thinkamancers? Seems to me like that may wind up causing an actual schism in the MK between the Thinkamancers and the others at this rate. Talk about GW bringing war there...

    Yes, GK is in good graces with the GMtTA. As seen by Parson having access to them at the start of the book, and a room near their temple, and talking about how they're willing to assist GK but not leave the MK to help them. The political tensions in the MK were mentioned back on page 51, "Even Isaac won't come through our portal. I think giving us protection in the Em-Kay is one thing, but coming here would signal that he's working for us. And they're not ready to go there yet."

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    Couple things. 1) Does anyone else think the last panel looks like a nod to Wizard of Oz again, with the three casters "linked" together, travelling down the winding road? 2) Nice to see the sentimentality of a unit displayed. It doesn't seem to come up nearly enough. 3) How can Jojo's face be drawn so well in panel three, but everyone else still look so derpy? I've been tough on the new artist in my head, but that panel three shows tremendous promise.

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    It's not just sentimentality. Sylvia was Jojo's (and presumably Charlie's) guinea pig in an experiment about luck and fate.

    And it's weird seeing Clarence Thomas speak. In stupidworld he's famous for never saying anything during oral arguments.

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    GrandReaper wrote:
    1) Does anyone else think the last panel looks like a nod to Wizard of Oz again, with the three casters "linked" together, travelling down the winding road?


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    Okay, never mind.

    We can infer from this that Jojo really has only two driving motives. Charlie, who has a deal with Jojo, of which we know little to nothing about. And Lady Sylvia, who seems to continue being at least a partial driving force in the plot despite being dusted MAGNIFICENTLY. But, as we all know, a Carny is a master of getting a little something extra from any deal they make (through necessity) and this information may end up being of some OTHER vital importance to Jojo, and not just a way to scratch that scab on his heart.

    Perhaps her method of death will have a bearing on Jojo's deal with Charlie, or have some bearing on doing the impossible. Curing the Croaked status. Like, Croaked-Croaked. "There ain't no coming back. This is the really-real world. There ain't no coming back!" style coming back.

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    HBar wrote:
    And it's weird seeing Clarence Thomas speak. In stupidworld he's famous for never saying anything during oral arguments.


    I've heard it said that Clarence Thomas is the "coasting" supreme justice, who does and writes the least relative to the others. Especially compared to Ginsburg or Scalia. Not sure how that applies to this context, or how good an assessment that is.

    I've always though Jojo somehow stole, Luckamancy style, all of Artemis' good rolls for Sylvia, which was how she did so very very well. Him being at her arrow point would have been a sort of situational irony if that were true.

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