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Transylvito can still cheat Charlie, just transfer everything he requested to GK first.

Then the answer is "sorry we don't own those assets any more" XD

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    The simplest solution would be if someone could just get the Neck-Knife thing off of Caesar. Charlescomm's immediate bargaining power goes from A Lot to Not.

    Medium-Term bargaining power still remains Immense, in the form of "Could probably have 64+ veiled archons with Leadership and assault rifles in your airspace in 2-3 turns with max Move. So not great. But not "can end your side anytime" bad.

    There are two casters and a fancy doll thing next to the neck trap. Between them they outta be able to pull something off. Plus the Neck-trap's creator is there too in an unknown mind state. Given that the Fool, Thinker, and Mind-Doll are ALL geared towards manipulating people into doing things, and at least 2 have a special insight into the Dollamancer, they REALLY outta be able to get that neck trap off.

    Let alone if they get some extra Juice.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    Seannibal wrote:
    Did anyone else hear "womp, womp" after he learned the gems were gone?


    I thought it pretty loud, does that count?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    I wonder what the ammo situation of the Dirties is.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    Lipkin wrote:
    For anyone that doesn't play first person shooter video game, KDR stands for Kill/Death ratio. Having a KDR of 1 means that you've died as many times as you have killed people.


    Thanks for spelling that out. Was wondering how it could be 1.0 because I forgot that Claud has already died once.

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    Last couple panels are one giant reference to counter strike.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    Minecraft character just gonna follow the tracks back to their base? Someone's clearly familiar with Minecraft PvP :P

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    ShaneTheBrain wrote:
    The simplest solution would be if someone could just get the Neck-Knife thing off of Caesar. Charlescomm's immediate bargaining power goes from A Lot to Not.

    Medium-Term bargaining power still remains Immense, in the form of "Could probably have 64+ veiled archons with Leadership and assault rifles in your airspace in 2-3 turns with max Move. So not great. But not "can end your side anytime" bad.

    There are two casters and a fancy doll thing next to the neck trap. Between them they outta be able to pull something off. Plus the Neck-trap's creator is there too in an unknown mind state. Given that the Fool, Thinker, and Mind-Doll are ALL geared towards manipulating people into doing things, and at least 2 have a special insight into the Dollamancer, they REALLY outta be able to get that neck trap off.

    Let alone if they get some extra Juice.


    That's the ideal solution, but if Benjamin thought they could do it with the resources they have, I'm sure he'd be making plans for it. But since Maggie and Jack have no juice, they aren't effective casters, regardless of other skills they have. He doesn't know Bill's status nor much about the Maggie doll, but even if he did, is that enough to let him pull off an instant disarm on the trap?

    How long would it take Shirley to trigger the trap? Perhaps it has automatic conditions, faster than anyone's reflexes to give orders? Ben can't take chances, because to lose Caesar is to lose everyone.

    Now, I think that is a Parson type of thinking, and I think Skyy is also trying to figure a way to beat the trap. But so far, they don't have any additional leverage to let them do so.

    Perhaps if a master (or even not quite master) dollamancer was present to do the disarming, with juice, there would be a chance.

    The only good part is that Shirley is making demands but with no time limit for negotiations. I'm sure that her problem with Jed's accusations makes settling the issue of Transylvito a secondary problem. Let alone Charlie himself being in a "time out".

    Wonder when (or if) Benjamin and Skyy will contact Parson? Now that they know he's alive and willing to help them, and is good at finding ways to beat Charlie, he'd be a great "call a friend" choice.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    Lipkin wrote:
    I wonder what the ammo situation of the Dirties is.


    They could make plenty, just like Ace did. But they've also been playing the the weapons, as Ace did too. So they certainly should have a reasonable supply, but wild shooting doesn't help.

    If the guns work like other weapons, the user's attack and leadership numbers will make a big difference. In this fight, the Dirties are poor in both -- no leadership, they aren't a real stack. Wanda on the other hand is the chief and they are a stack, with a chief warlord bonus (albeit a low one).

    Losing Notch-O, coupled with the defense advantage of cover, could make the 5:3 (or two shooters) odds not that great.

    Also, Claud is a dollamancer and made the guns, so he could have bonuses too. Just because he hasn't been in combat doesn't mean his combat stats are weak.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    Metallicat wrote:
    Lipkin wrote:
    I wonder what the ammo situation of the Dirties is.


    They could make plenty, just like Ace did. But they've also been playing the the weapons, as Ace did too. So they certainly should have a reasonable supply, but wild shooting doesn't help.

    If the guns work like other weapons, the user's attack and leadership numbers will make a big difference. In this fight, the Dirties are poor in both -- no leadership, they aren't a real stack. Wanda on the other hand is the chief and they are a stack, with a chief warlord bonus (albeit a low one).

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    Losing Notch-O, coupled with the defense advantage of cover, could make the 5:3 (or two shooters) odds not that great.

    Also, Claud is a dollamancer and made the guns, so he could have bonuses too. Just because he hasn't been in combat doesn't mean his combat stats are weak.

    At the point where you can pretty much one-shot anyone with those rifles, an increase of +8 doesn't make much of a difference. Really the only way anyone could benefit from leadership would be to waste fewer rounds taking down the stockade.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    Metallicat wrote:

    How long would it take Shirley to trigger the trap? Perhaps it has automatic conditions, faster than anyone's reflexes to give orders?


    Why/how would Shirley be able to trigger the trap, other than ordering Bill to do it (and he's probably out of order).

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    OneHugeTuck wrote:
    Metallicat wrote:

    How long would it take Shirley to trigger the trap? Perhaps it has automatic conditions, faster than anyone's reflexes to give orders?


    Why/how would Shirley be able to trigger the trap, other than ordering Bill to do it (and he's probably out of order).


    Because Shirley's threat made to Huehue was done after Charlie's time out, and after Bill left his mind. Since she can't lie using her symbols, that strongly implies that she has a way to carry out her threat to simply kill them all.

    Huehue would have absolutely pointed out that Shirley herself has no way to execute Caesar directly, when talking with Benjamin and Skyy, if there was any chance for a quick action to rescue Caesar before the trap kills him.

    So either there is an auto kill switch, which is definitely possible, or Shirley has some way to activate it instantly. Huehue likely also knows which one is the case.

    With both Bill and Charlie "off line" right now, that puts all the negotiating control in the hands of the towers. But with neither one willing to take direct action without ruler leadership, there is some time to come up with other solutions by negotiation.

    None of them are likely to include a rescue attempt unless there is a way to safely defuse the trap before it kills Caesar. If there was such a way available, it would for sure be mentioned as an option. None of the characters, especially Ben and Skyy, would ignore such a possibility, even if the risks are high.

    The towers have no need to spell out things they already know, to each other or to us. Benjamin probably knows enough about traps to judge whether he has a chance to defuse it or not.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    I wonder if Shirley can see through the dolls. If not then... well, Bill is "out" and can't give them orders, and we've already seen them get controlled vicariously through the Maggie-Doll so in theory we could count them as "out" as well.

    If that be the case then... what is stopping the two GK units from simply "escorting" Bill through that nice portal where his remote access to Caesar would be limited?

    It's probably the tiredness kicking in but... have we seen ANY evidence that Shirley can actually see what is happening INSIDE the portal room right now?

    Also... CALLED IT! Even Benjamin suspects that the towers "agreeing" will force them to obey the contract! True, technically I "called" that it would "create rules" but, then again, signamancy seems to, in a way, do just that!

    On the other hand... the act of taking those gems would technically count as doing financial harm to GK, via an agent that had no idea what he was doing. Sort of a reverse of the "Lilith in Charlescom" situation. All GK has to do is KNOW that they were robbed and collect the bounty!

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 188
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    Arci wrote:
    On the other hand... the act of taking those gems would technically count as doing financial harm to GK, via an agent that had no idea what he was doing. Sort of a reverse of the "Lilith in Charlescom" situation. All GK has to do is KNOW that they were robbed and collect the bounty!

    Even if stealing assets of another side were prohibitted, which is tenuous at best (given that Lilith was free to steal all the guns), all those Gems are assets of Transilvito. Transilvito is just in an agreement with GK that TV is responsible for paying ALL of Gobwin Knob's expenses (more or less, the only thing that GK could spend shmuckers on without costing Transilvito would be on city upgrades)
    edit: https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/324

    Come to think of it, Gobwin Knob is free to strike up a forth contract to transfer all of TV's treasury into another side's treasury. This is really dependant on trust.

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    I'm screaming at Claude and Ivan for how incompetent they are. If they're doing enfilading fire from a concealed position, they're better off opening up once opfor is in the middle of the ambush zone, instead of when they're at maximum range.

    Also, what's the KDR 1 supposed to mean?

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    I believe KDR stands for "Kill/Death Ratio" as in certain video games.

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    Skyy still needs to take a few levels in breaking bad news gently :P

    At least Wanda and Co. have the Dirtamancers's lack of cooperation going for them.

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    Inst wrote:
    I'm screaming at Claude and Ivan for how incompetent they are. If they're doing enfilading fire from a concealed position, they're better off opening up once opfor is in the middle of the ambush zone, instead of when they're at maximum range.

    Also, what's the KDR 1 supposed to mean?

    They're casters, not warlords..

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    Anomynous 167 wrote:
    Arci wrote:
    On the other hand... the act of taking those gems would technically count as doing financial harm to GK, via an agent that had no idea what he was doing. Sort of a reverse of the "Lilith in Charlescom" situation. All GK has to do is KNOW that they were robbed and collect the bounty!

    Even if stealing assets of another side were prohibitted, which is tenuous at best (given that Lilith was free to steal all the guns), all those Gems are assets of Transilvito. Transilvito is just in an agreement with GK that TV is responsible for paying ALL of Gobwin Knob's expenses (more or less, the only thing that GK could spend shmuckers on without costing Transilvito would be on city upgrades)
    edit: https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/324

    Come to think of it, Gobwin Knob is free to strike up a forth contract to transfer all of TV's treasury into another side's treasury. This is really dependant on trust.


    How strong is the magic intrinsic to a Contract?

    "Should either Signatory Side break or egregiously violate any terms of the alliance between them, the Gems shall be automagically converted to Shmuckers and assigned to the treasury of the aggrieved side"

    It doesn't *say* they have to still be in the possession of TV for that to happen. If Charlie hasn't converted them, would either TV or GK purposely violating the contract send the money straight into the treasury of the aggrieved side even though the gems are no longer TV assets?

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    Inst wrote:
    I'm screaming at Claude and Ivan for how incompetent they are. If they're doing enfilading fire from a concealed position, they're better off opening up once opfor is in the middle of the ambush zone, instead of when they're at maximum range.

    Also, what's the KDR 1 supposed to mean?


    What, was Claude supposed to let Notch keep walking forward until Notch spotted Claude's gun barrel poking out of the port?

    Now the Dirties know that there are guns arrayed against them, but they don't know where the source of the gunfire is coming from. Even if they're able to suss out Claude's position (unlikely, they too are casters and not warlords, and have significantly less experience with guns than Claude and Ivan), they haven't sussed out Ivan's position. The Dirties don't have the numbers to spend the number of troops they'd need to overwhelm Ivan and Claude from their enfilade position.

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