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 Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    Chef Lurker wrote:
    Holy boop, that's a real Titanic instrument right there, folks.

    Yeah, what a tool.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    And finally Isaac Cosimov has cosmically been brought to naught....

    Anyone else get the impression that the Arkenplier's thinka-gram avatar will bare a strong resemblance to Clippy?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    Anomynous 167 wrote:
    Anyone else get the impression that the Arkenplier's thinka-gram avatar will bare a strong resemblance to Clippy?

    "It looks like you are writing a suicide note!"

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    The Arkenplyers: capable of dusting uncroaked with a glancing hit.

    With the power to bring the croaked back to life as decrypted.

    Having the ability to free prisoners remotely.

    And the blessing of rescuing the minds of those decrypted or being attacked in mind space.

    Legs/motility? Not so much.

    Inconvenient, indeed. :P

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    Didn't Big Think recall the Isaac doll? If he survived his body croaking, he's probably on his way. We still don't know if Wanda survived the gunfire, but he could bring the pliers to Wanda.

    Edit: Also, interesting that it looks like the Pliers glow when they speak.

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    It probably isn't impossible, but I suspect that's beyond Wanda's skill to decrypt. They probably should have used Dittomancy first.

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    Also, it occurs to me that Wanda may have her world view VASTLY challenged when she talks to her Pliers and the Pliers admit that they doubt the existence of the Titans.

    I think she's way more obsessed with Fate than the Titans themselves. And the Arkenpliers still assume they exist, it just isn't sure because it wasn't awake to witness it at the time.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    Lipkin wrote:
    Didn't Big Think recall the Isaac doll? If he survived his body croaking, he's probably on his way. We still don't know if Wanda survived the gunfire, but he could bring the pliers to Wanda.

    Edit: Also, interesting that it looks like the Pliers glow when they speak.


    Yeah. After it resizes the Pliers, anyway. Too big in current form.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    Polvane the eraser wrote:
    Lipkin wrote:
    Didn't Big Think recall the Isaac doll? If he survived his body croaking, he's probably on his way. We still don't know if Wanda survived the gunfire, but he could bring the pliers to Wanda.

    Edit: Also, interesting that it looks like the Pliers glow when they speak.


    Yeah. After it resizes the Pliers, anyway. Too big in current form.

    Not really.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    So, the question is what happened to Isaac, or rather Isaacs conscience, if anything.
    The Arkenpliers seem to lack locomotion. Also, either they cannot decrypt things on their own or Big Think is such a mess that it cannot be decrypted, perhaps because Isaac's consciense is still on Erf and you cannot decrypt what has not really croaked yet...

    Or Rob will totally surprise me, again.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    Chef Lurker wrote:
    Seriously? You can out think a cacophony of Great Minds, but you can't plan for any locomotion after you awaken? You don't have a plan for if you get blown away?

    Holy boop, that's a real Titanic instrument right there, folks.


    Kind of hard to plan for your birthturn before you even have any mind to speak of let alone a conscious one.

    I mean even with 9 months of development time humans still freak the heck out during their births.

    I think the pliers took this situation rather well, actually.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    Sakgeres wrote:
    When you get too OP, fate's gonna put you down.


    Not everything that happens is caused by Fate!!!

    ::grumbles::

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    Chef Lurker wrote:
    Seriously? You can out think a cacophony of Great Minds, but you can't plan for any locomotion after you awaken? You don't have a plan for if you get blown away?

    Holy boop, that's a real Titanic instrument right there, folks.


    I don't think there is any reason, as yet, to presume the destruction of Big Think was intended. Call it collateral damage.

    EDIT: I kinda think that's the joke, actually. A bunch of great minds go boom as a result of the plier's awakening and the pliers only lament its loss of transportation. Not, you know, the half dozen lives that just got snuffed out. Not, "TITANS NO! How awful!" Just, sigh "Inconvenient." This also casts the pliers' personality and priorities into a dangerous and untrustworthy shape: the pliers are both very callous and very selfish.

    EDIT EDIT: It's also connecting to the previous update... as this is a case of events that happened before when the pliers were not-alive being a very big deal to the pliers now that it is.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 4 - Page 182
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    ManaCaster wrote:
    It probably isn't impossible, but I suspect that's beyond Wanda's skill to decrypt. They probably should have used Dittomancy first.

    Thecommander236 wrote:
    Also, it occurs to me that Wanda may have her world view VASTLY challenged when she talks to her Pliers and the Pliers admit that they doubt the existence of the Titans.

    I think she's way more obsessed with Fate than the Titans themselves. And the Arkenpliers still assume they exist, it just isn't sure because it wasn't awake to witness it at the time.


    Wanda told doll-Isaac that she could restore him to life. I doubt that she was lying about what she believes her capabilities with the Arkenpliers to be. Whether she can recover the other Great Minds, whose bodies are at the Temple, is another matter.

    The Arkenpliers is alive now. I wonder if it has any way to make contact with its attuned mistress?

    In any case, it is laying in a location which few people will have access to. It was Wanda's original destination, and it was also the place the doll-Isaac was headed. So even if Wanda ends up getting routed to some other location like ICFYS, the Arkenpliers may still get itself dragged her way safely.

    Wanda never talked much about the Titans. But Fate was something which was always on her mind. I think that a alive and talking Arkenpliers would only enhance that.

    A conversation with Marie and Wanda could be real enlightening about now.

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    Ew, you got some threads all over your concept.
    Should... take care of that. Or absorb them, or whatever.

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    So I heard you liked boop getting serious. So we put boop getting serious in your boop getting serious so you can scream WTB while screaming WTB.

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    Metallicat wrote:
    Wanda told doll-Isaac that she could restore him to life. I doubt that she was lying about what she believes her capabilities with the Arkenpliers to be. Whether she can recover the other Great Minds, whose bodies are at the Temple, is another matter.

    That was before the Arkenplier's birth ripped their minds into shreds. It's probably still possible, but I have to wonder if Wanda has that sort of skill. You would probably need other disciplines to recover the fragmented data.

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    Lingo wrote:
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    Also, it occurs to me that Wanda may have her world view VASTLY challenged when she talks to her Pliers and the Pliers admit that they doubt the existence of the Titans.


    Eh, maybe. Fate is not necessarily the same as the Titans. Does Wanda ever speak of the Titans?

    The Pliers mentioned "The 'not' is always calling", which may be a reference to Fate.

    Have you forgotten? Zero always calls.

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    These Arkenpliers, which have been gifted with the power of Speech (presumably by Big Thunk); does anybody think they may have also been endowed with the ability to send and receive Thinkagrams?

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    I can get why DePliSac is frustrated. He spent too much time in theoretical debate and not in aPlied sciences.

    I apologize for nothing.

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