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Don't know how much it's used throughout the world but in Australia "1/5 or 3/5 of f :jetstone: ck-all" means sweet f <O> ck-all. Not metric or imperial but units of f-all (known to the more refined as bugger-all).
A fifth is also the nickname for the most common unit of liquor, a bottle containing 1/5 of a gallon. "A fifth of what now?" makes me think of someone asking questions while stocking a bar or going on a booze run.

Yeah, a fifth as a measure of alcohol was my first thought as well.

Another thought occurs to me, though. The number 3/5 is significant in American history:

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Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons.


In other words, black slaves were only counted as 3/5 of a person.

It's a bit of a stretch to apply it to this page, but when I think of the final line of the previous page, there's a certain resonance.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 5 - Prologue 31
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    Unfortunately, there doesn't seem measureable chance that Sugar's creation could have resulted in the library popping copies of Lois McMaster Bujold's Vorkosigan series:
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    A weapon is a device for making your enemy change his mind. The mind was the first and final battleground, the stuff in between was just noise.


    On the other hand, much of the series seems the sort of books that Parson Giotti might have read; it's possible he might be able to have some persuasive impact on Sugar.

    On yet another hand, the question seems unanswered as to whether Charlie has studied Pratchett's Havelock Vetinari, whose alternative route to survival was not in making friends, but in carefully arranging matters so that all of his many rivals and enemies tended to consider a reality which includes Vetinari as Patrician as slightly better than one which did not.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 5 - Prologue 31
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    2 things -

    1st: the art continues to be GREAT! It's a smart choice that most of this page shows the dialogue coming from the Sugar-idol-heads, so you don't have to worry about the facial expressions on the real Erflings. I think that's the next frontier, though - starting to get the expressions on the people right as they interact with each other. Until then, I'm cool with building the library of 3D modeled characters and THRILLED with the 1x week current update cycle as is. (And thanks for making Noah's arms beefier... :D )

    2nd: I think Sugar's problem all boils down to "...Towers enjoy being fought over..."
    https://archives.erfworld.com/Book%203/59
    With Nestly's current MO, Sugar will never be at risk. They really need a Foolamancer now that the Tower peeks over the treeline.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 5 - Prologue 31
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    Since April 1st 1999, 1/5 of Canada is none of it.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 5 - Prologue 31
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    The art team is doing a bang up job! Enjoyed the visuals of the new comic.

    *Bounce*
    Strength!
    Strength is all,
    strength and might!
    Strength and might, and maybe power!
    They are all.
    strength, might, power, and ruthless efficiency!
    *Bounce*
    So strength isn't all, after all,
    is it?
    *Bounce*
    But strength is strength,
    all else flows from strength,
    nothing has degrees except in degrees of strength,
    in power, in might, in decibels,
    It all returns,
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    Degrees in levels,
    Not degrees in kinds,
    There are different strengths.
    The gobwin clubs,
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    But the club can smash all.
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    Including the face that holds it.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 5 - Prologue 31
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    Gah!
    My lack of art/history knowledge!

    All these items are significant and important, and if I had the slightest clue about the real-world objects they reference, would probably be quite revealing about Sugar and his self-image.

    Curse my lack of cultural awareness!
    5 schmuckers to anyone who can tell me what I am looking at.

    One thing I find interesting about them is that they are very different.
    The art style of HueHue, and of Jed are both very consistent within the towers - whereas to me these items all look as if they come from different times and cultures. So... Sugar is a mess of different identities and personalities?

    Hmmmmmm

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     Post subject: Re: Book 5 - Prologue 31
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    Gee, it's like talking to a wall.

    Oh, wait.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 5 - Prologue 31
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    khamul wrote:
    Gah!
    My lack of art/history knowledge!

    All these items are significant and important, and if I had the slightest clue about the real-world objects they reference, would probably be quite revealing about Sugar and his self-image.

    Curse my lack of cultural awareness!
    5 schmuckers to anyone who can tell me what I am looking at.

    One thing I find interesting about them is that they are very different.
    The art style of HueHue, and of Jed are both very consistent within the towers - whereas to me these items all look as if they come from different times and cultures. So... Sugar is a mess of different identities and personalities?

    Hmmmmmm

    Sugar has the personality of a conqueror, so he steals from multiple cultures?

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    Lipkin wrote:
    khamul wrote:
    Gah!
    My lack of art/history knowledge!

    All these items are significant and important, and if I had the slightest clue about the real-world objects they reference, would probably be quite revealing about Sugar and his self-image.

    Curse my lack of cultural awareness!
    5 schmuckers to anyone who can tell me what I am looking at.

    One thing I find interesting about them is that they are very different.
    The art style of HueHue, and of Jed are both very consistent within the towers - whereas to me these items all look as if they come from different times and cultures. So... Sugar is a mess of different identities and personalities?

    Hmmmmmm

    Sugar has the personality of a conqueror, so he steals from multiple cultures?

    Each of the Towers has a rap sheet partly based on a specific, distinctive culture. Jed is native Hawaiian, HueHue is Aztec, Shirley is 1950's American. Noah has described Sugar's rap sheet as being "Pentagon talk". Does that mean Sugar's "culture" is "modern US military"? If so, the fact that the US has fought wars and has bases all of the world might help explain Sugar's eclectic selection of artifacts.

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    I like the composition of the last panel. All this ancient art. The poster on the bottom reminds me of cave paintings of Bison/aurochs, but in great condition. Don't know the rest, can't even really make out what the piece in the nook is. An ivory carving? A petroglyph? But I'm glad that Rob and company are making this new voice easy to write. And if the lighting is changing a bit from panel to panel, it is lost to me, but maybe it is a subtle way to enhance the art, to emphasize specific things or to give an illusion of movement. In a world with visual sound effects, movie lighting instead of real lighting does not break my suspension of disbelief.

    I wonder, are the temples part of another game? Like in software you can build one game off of another's engine, just never have the code call for features you don't need. Or, more morbidly, did the Titans come to a world that had already been destroyed, and set in motion a new game on the remains? Or, more awesomely, all the players of the last game peaced out and ascended for a better plane of existance. Or became like Titans themselves.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 5 - Prologue 31
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    Sugar's "culture" is more like "Hardboiled Cold War Era TV Show US Military". "Gotta get them commie pinko Reds" etc. Maybe like M.A.S.H. or whatever.

    More modern US military is all "multi-spectrum, land-sea-air-space-cyber", global reach, aircraft carriers, drones, intel.
    Heh kinda like Charlie, really.

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    spriteless wrote:
    I wonder, are the temples part of another game? Like in software you can build one game off of another's engine, just never have the code call for features you don't need. Or, more morbidly, did the Titans come to a world that had already been destroyed, and set in motion a new game on the remains? Or, more awesomely, all the players of the last game peaced out and ascended for a better plane of existance. Or became like Titans themselves.

    1/0 comic proposed a twist on that last idea. If the universe is cyclic, and people can ascend to Titanhood, then they have already done so. Future versions of Parson, Charlie, and whoever else are up there right now, possibly working to ensure their own ascensions. Or, if they are still fighting, they may be trying to help their respective sides. This yields a new understanding of retconjuration: changing the world on your second time through.

    From another direction, Noah says that the temple was "no thing that the Titans had ever intended to stand in the world". This makes me wonder it it was supposed to be somewhere else. Hellabad was described as "a place of infinite wrongness, where everything around you clashed with who you were and what you wanted, a place where you simply did not belong". Given that (Erf) temples are always the opposite of their rulers, I can see a similarity. On the other hand, I can also imagine a well-aligned temple in the City of Heroes, watching over the blessed and immediately providing them with anything they want/need.

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    Maybe accidental, but I liked the att'n to detail:

    While furiously failing at my Google Image Searches for the items, I noted that Sugah's comment "Whale friends" came from what looks to be scrimshaw, whalebone that has been carved (or colored.)

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    infiniplex wrote:
    From another direction, Noah says that the temple was "no thing that the Titans had ever intended to stand in the world".


    That makes me feel like the temples are equivalent to DLC. Or maybe fanmade mods?

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    visual echo wrote:
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    From another direction, Noah says that the temple was "no thing that the Titans had ever intended to stand in the world".


    That makes me feel like the temples are equivalent to DLC. Or maybe fanmade mods?


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    visual echo wrote:
    infiniplex wrote:
    From another direction, Noah says that the temple was "no thing that the Titans had ever intended to stand in the world".


    That makes me feel like the temples are equivalent to DLC. Or maybe fanmade mods?


    DLC's or fan made mods would be something outside of Erfworld, so still an equivalent of titans. They would just be new Titans who create things after the original ones do, and I don't think that's what Noah is referring.

    I think we have been given enough information to know how they were created by just using mechanics we have been given previous information about. The Great Minds did the same sort thing to the towers as Wanda's Halfaton team did when trying to create living golems. But towers are able to create life (they pop new units all the time), so once you have a tower golem you can command it to pop life into itself. The Minds created the towers after being inspired by Parson's rule breaking. They didn't just awaken them.

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    People have been comparing Sugar to the US military. But Sugar is based on a real old idol. I think we should be thinking in terms of ancient militant like conquerors in history . Such as Sparta, Alexander the Great, Genghis Khan, the romans, Chinese conquerors etc.

    Sugar may have an overlapping personality profile with someone like Julius Caesar who took a smaller nation and made it bigger.

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    Coming into a situation without understanding it and wanting to change it is a bad idea. Also, I think side N is doing rather well and seems to have deep reasources, so long as the apple cart remains upright.

    I'm fascinated by the idea that the towers, sorry, TEMPLES, are the oposites of their leaders. Billing a lack in them.

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    infiniplex wrote:
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    I wonder, are the temples part of another game? Like in software you can build one game off of another's engine, just never have the code call for features you don't need. Or, more morbidly, did the Titans come to a world that had already been destroyed, and set in motion a new game on the remains? Or, more awesomely, all the players of the last game peaced out and ascended for a better plane of existance. Or became like Titans themselves.

    1/0 comic proposed a twist on that last idea. If the universe is cyclic, and people can ascend to Titanhood, then they have already done so. Future versions of Parson, Charlie, and whoever else are up there right now, possibly working to ensure their own ascensions. Or, if they are still fighting, they may be trying to help their respective sides. This yields a new understanding of retconjuration: changing the world on your second time through.

    From another direction, Noah says that the temple was "no thing that the Titans had ever intended to stand in the world". This makes me wonder it it was supposed to be somewhere else. Hellabad was described as "a place of infinite wrongness, where everything around you clashed with who you were and what you wanted, a place where you simply did not belong". Given that (Erf) temples are always the opposite of their rulers, I can see a similarity. On the other hand, I can also imagine a well-aligned temple in the City of Heroes, watching over the blessed and immediately providing them with anything they want/need.


    So you could say that with all of the temples awakening we're looking at Hellabad on Erf?

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    paskal wrote:
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    Given that one of the sides that would be most interested in owning Nestleý's capital site is Charlsecomm, that MK civil war isn't too far fetched.


    Also remember the lonesome Archon who was observing something important in the woods. Did we ever told what it was or can I assume it is Nestly


    When was the archon?

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