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 Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 339
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Nimelennar wrote:
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Bunny and Donny's bodies will be affirmed to be destroyed once Transilvito provides their ashes to Charlescomm.


I don't know. That would be redundant with "deliver," I would think. "Affirm" just basically means "to say yes." So, they either have to give the corpses to Charlie to destroy, or destroy them themselves, and tell Charlie that yes, it's been done.

There may be a loophole there in that they could not destroy the bodies and yet still affirm that it has been done, but I think that that may be pushing the boundaries of the contract too far. For one thing, Huehue, as signatory, might be the one providing the affirmation, and might be obligated to be truthful by the mutual understanding that allowed the Signamancy of the contract to take effect.

I see "Affirm" as like "Ensure" but with less wiggleroom. Don't just "try" to destroy their bodies, make it done and failure is not an option.

If Shirley didn't put in "Ensure" we'd be arguing about the nuance of another word.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 339
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    As Nim clarified, "Terms are: Relinquish to CharlesComm (or affirm destruction of) bodies of: [list]"


    So the bodies, croaked, alived, or decrypted alive, must be relinquished to CC.

    Then again, the shared understanding between towers was that specific croaked bodies must be relinquished to CC. So if they get decrypted, then via contract (ya know) to fulfil the terms they must be dusted.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 339
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    OneHugeTuck wrote:
    As Nim clarified, "Terms are: Relinquish to CharlesComm (or affirm destruction of) bodies of: [list]"


    So the bodies, croaked, alived, or decrypted alive, must be relinquished to CC.

    Then again, the shared understanding between towers was that specific croaked bodies must be relinquished to CC. So if they get decrypted, then via contract (ya know) to fulfil the terms they must be dusted.

    Unless :tv: fulfills their obligation by relinquishing the bodies in question, but then they're decrypted by some non-signatory party while in :charlie: custody. In that case, the relevant part of the contract would already have been fulfilled - it doesn't say anything at all about what :charlie: 's allowed to do with the bodies, and :tv: can't very well be blamed for a lapse in his own security which they had no control over.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 339
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    Well, sure.....if the bodies can somehow be decrypted while in CC custody.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 339
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    OneHugeTuck wrote:
    Well, sure.....if the bodies can somehow be decrypted while in CC custody.

    As long as they’re in the same hex as the Pliers, they can be decrypted, and their Side would be the same as that of the attuned wielder.

    Then it’s a matter of getting them the hell away from any Archons who want to dust them.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 339
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    Or the bodies could be delivered to CC... decrypted, armed to the teeth, and stacked with elite units.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 339
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    So long as the exploding collar is on Caesar it doesn't matter what the contract terms are, the demands were for not killing Caesar and ending the side right then, this continues to be true. Anything that does not meet the demands to CC's satisfaction gives them the motivation to simply off Caesar.

    Any trick has to include either getting the collar off or instantly destroying CC in a way that prevents them from using the collar. It's a hostage situation and giving the hostage taker monopoly money while saying "you didn't specify real money" is probably going to result in a dead hostage.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 339
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    So with the above about decryption being a possible changer of this phase of the game - we're agreed that we need to resolve what's happening to Wanda next? I have a feeling Templeton can keep the ladies talking about anything and everything until some kind of action comes to them so we could feature more of their curious conversations but there's more a sense that he's prepping himself with knowledge of them so that when the crap hits the rotating blades he'll be able to towerinfluence the best outcome for the side out of the two of them.

    Actually that's given me an insight into his character. Right now the two major players of his side are either (a) a very obtuse and often manipulative person or (b) a very stubborn person. So his character in response to them is someone who is vague and circumlocutory but not easily persuadable. He's been very good at pinning down Janis' language and very good at drawing Jillian into a conversation when her normal instinct is to shut people up unless it suits her.

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