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I wonder if it wouldn't be worth having Jojo and Slately on a thinkagram and attempting to change portals while Parson was MID WAY THROUGH.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    Yes the plan is to change the portal once Parson is already through. There is an element of the plan that we haven't been told yet, Charlie clearly has something in mind that will kill Parson, in Spacerock.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    Keighvin1 wrote:
    Isn't the plan to change capitals after Parson goes through the portal?
    If it is, then they are going about it wrong. Assuming that Trem can make the backup capitol sight the capitol in fact, then there should be no rush to change the portal, and in fact such a rush may end up causing the change before Parson comes through. Also, spending your men on taking a throne unnecessarily which may result in closing your trap before the prey enters seems foolish. Wouldn't you rather preserve your troops until you see your prey, and they make your glorious last rush against him, rather than spending your strength getting to the throne?

    Since all of the above makes Slately's plan and action fail to make any logical sense at all, then it must be that Trem cannot change the capitol site from the far end (or anywhere in between). That's the only thing that makes the seemingly foolish actions of Slately appear to be rational.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    Not neccessarily. Like I said, we don't know what it is that Charlie has planned to kill Parson with. If they wait, and let the city actually turn to GK, everyone else in the city gets Shackled and (presumably) Charlie's plan is no longer possible.

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    Oberon wrote:
    Keighvin1 wrote:
    Isn't the plan to change capitals after Parson goes through the portal?
    If it is, then they are going about it wrong. Assuming that Trem can make the backup capitol sight the capitol in fact, then there should be no rush to change the portal, and in fact such a rush may end up causing the change before Parson comes through. Also, spending your men on taking a throne unnecessarily which may result in closing your trap before the prey enters seems foolish. Wouldn't you rather preserve your troops until you see your prey, and they make your glorious last rush against him, rather than spending your strength getting to the throne?

    Since all of the above makes Slately's plan and action fail to make any logical sense at all, then it must be that Trem cannot change the capitol site from the far end (or anywhere in between). That's the only thing that makes the seemingly foolish actions of Slately appear to be rational.


    My reading of the pages is that the capital city can only be changed by the overlord sitting on the current throne. That said, I'm very curious about the specifics of Charlie's plan. Thinking through the various options, the only way Charlie's current plan makes sense is if:
    a. Charlie thinks Slately's column can take out Parson this turn or
    b. Charlie has some way to bring force to bear on Parson this turn. I.e. before his subsequent turn where Parson would either be already dead or GK would have taken JS and the portal would have closed regardless.
    c. ..? Charlie is afraid that Parson will pop back through the portal into TMK after the battle is won but before the city falls.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    0beron wrote:
    Yes the plan is to change the portal once Parson is already through. There is an element of the plan that we haven't been told yet, Charlie clearly has something in mind that will kill Parson, in Spacerock.

    Could it be fire? Anyway, we also know that Charlie has archons in the area.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    effataigus wrote:
    My reading of the pages is that the capital city can only be changed by the overlord sitting on the current throne.


    Could be any throne - the current one is the only one they can get Slately to this turn.

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    drachefly wrote:
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    My reading of the pages is that the capital city can only be changed by the overlord sitting on the current throne.

    Could be any throne - the current one is the only one they can get Slately to this turn.
    Good point... and by the same token we can overturn my assertion that the current overlord has to be the one to do it (as opposed to heirs, CWLs, or warlords)... might be right or wrong, but sending Clonely would be a good choice here regardless since he is expendable.

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    Lamech wrote:
    0beron wrote:
    Yes the plan is to change the portal once Parson is already through. There is an element of the plan that we haven't been told yet, Charlie clearly has something in mind that will kill Parson, in Spacerock.

    Could it be fire? Anyway, we also know that Charlie has archons in the area.


    Previously Tramennis mentioned something about "30,000 pairs of matching manacles" if they all got captured. This implies Jetstone has that many troops left in the city. Charlie may figure that if Parson goes through alone, without Wanda, that Jetstone will be able to finish him off.

    You'll also notice that Issac, the head thinkamancer, has just changed his position to exactly that: Parson goes through alone. I think there's something up. It's not just that Issac changed his mind about Maggie's message, I think Issac is working for Charlie, or at least being influenced by Charlie (or might even be Charlie.)

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    effataigus wrote:
    ... and by the same token we can overturn my assertion that the current overlord has to be the one to do it (as opposed to heirs, CWLs, or warlords)... might be right or wrong, but sending Clonely would be a good choice here regardless since he is expendable.


    I think it's pretty likely there's a warlord in Jetstone, so I wouldn't go that far.

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    drachefly wrote:
    effataigus wrote:
    ... and by the same token we can overturn my assertion that the current overlord has to be the one to do it (as opposed to heirs, CWLs, or warlords)... might be right or wrong, but sending Clonely would be a good choice here regardless since he is expendable.


    I think it's pretty likely there's a warlord in Jetstone, so I wouldn't go that far.

    Oh certainly... just we don't have enough to conclude it has to be the Ruler. But yes, enough about what we don't know...

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    We also know Jetstone threw every single thing they had into this fight, they were desperate just to delay Ansom long enough for reinforcements to arrive. It seems likely that the city of Jetstone wouldn't be very heavily defended... and nobody knows just how capable Parson might be in a fight at this point. (Except Rob I guess hehe)

    There would definitely be no casters present, so if Parson comes through with even just Wanda that's probably Game Over for Jetstone. We know unled casters are vulnerable to warlords, but she would have leadership plus the pliers...

    P.S. Gameboy1234, it wasn't 30,000 pairs of matching manacles, it was 1500 pairs. So they have that plus however many heavies Ace is leading, but some are leaving with Trammenis.

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    I just noticed something else... the warlord with fakely says that if they "do it right" then all of the soldiers will croak followed by the clone. That seems to hint a bit at what the plan is... but I'm not sure what every single one of them dying will accomplish?

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    Seems like Pessimistic Paul has seen the effects of fighting in the proper manner when opposed by Wanda and the pliers. Wave after wave shall fall, only to be risen amongst the enemies ranks. The first wedge shall fall and rise to battle the second, and once the second falls, they too will join the fallen and attack the leadership. Advancing upon the enemy with honour, nobility, and everything right only leads to death. Maybe once he is ecrypted, he can bond with Sylvia and gain a true appreciation of oblivion.

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    Radagast wrote:
    I just noticed something else... the warlord with fakely says that if they "do it right" then all of the soldiers will croak followed by the clone. That seems to hint a bit at what the plan is... but I'm not sure what every single one of them dying will accomplish?


    Doing it wrong would be the king or warlord dying early. If the warlords fall early the bonus is gone and if the king dies they lose.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    Radagast wrote:
    There would definitely be no casters present, so if Parson comes through with even just Wanda that's probably Game Over for Jetstone. We know unled casters are vulnerable to warlords, but she would have leadership plus the pliers...

    Wanda appears to be an exception. She likes to beat things in the face. And that was before she equipped the pliers of doom. I think sending a warlord against Wanda now will simply result in Wanda getting a free warlord. Better just to rain arrows down on her.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    Radagast wrote:
    I just noticed something else... the warlord with fakely says that if they "do it right" then all of the soldiers will croak followed by the clone. That seems to hint a bit at what the plan is... but I'm not sure what every single one of them dying will accomplish?
    I think he's just pessimistically stating what he sees as his best case scenario. As cheeseaholic sort of said, they have a goal, and the king croaking early (by being foolishly in the front rank) would make achieving that goal impossible.

    Perhaps Sir Pessimism feels that with the plan he has in mind that Slately will be able to sit on the throne and swap capitols and then be slain, as opposed to falling before that can happen.

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    I just want to chip in that, since no one else edits the wiki, I've gone ahead and named him Lord Downer.

    I can only hope that it gets made Canon in the next strip. :P

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 95
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    Considering how unlikely it is that they'll get in, convert, and then get out... yeah, I can't say he's even being pessimistic, just realistic.

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    This last comic has all but confirmed for me that Ace will survive; a dollmancer is apparently needed for certain object modifications and there is no way that Trem is going to spend more than 5 or 10 updates wearing a brain for a crown.

    With the portal closing before Wanda and Jack accompany, Parson is most likely going to go for a "capture not croak" assault in order to purchase some leverage in getting his butt back out of the fire. I suspect that he'll capture Ace and Clonely. Attempts to hostage negotiate wont work out well since he'll just shrug and disappear. Ace will probably make a "save cubbins and I'll do whatever you want" offer. Somehow I kind of expect this arc to end with Trem returning to save Parson from Charlie and us getting to see what exploits are available with a new group of casters.

    Bonus scene: Parson finding the blaster and making a Storm Trooper comment due to his lack of ranged combat ability.

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