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So, this time let's pit our Stabbers against a group of angry Ogres...

8 Stabbers (3C/2D/8H/8M melee)

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4 Ogres (8C/4D/12H/8M heavy)

Fight!

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     Post Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 7:38 am 
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    Stabbers
    Total Attack 24
    Random 7
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 12 + 0 from last round…
    1 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 0 wounds.

    Ogres
    Total Attack 32
    Random 9
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Heavy vs Melee)
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 57 + 0 from last round…
    7 Stabbers cwoaked, with the next taking 1 wounds.

    Round 2!

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    Stabbers
    Total Attack 3
    Random 8
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 1 + 0 from last round…
    0 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 1 wounds.

    Ogres
    Total Attack 24
    Random 8
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Heavy vs Melee)
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 39 + 1 from last round…
    1 Stabbers cwoaked... All dead.

    Well, that worked well. Of course, the Ogres cost a lot more than the Stabbers, what with 4 Defence each...
    And they had the Heavy vs Melee bonus...

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     Post Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 8:50 pm 
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    here are the latest version of the rules as I think of them...
    Still need to work on Casters - I think this will be a Matrix style of argument thing rather than a set table of spells.
    Also Specials for units. What should they be and do? Lots to think of there.

    Erfworld Kingdoms



    Characters
    There are two classes of Character – Lords and Casters. Lords can be Rulers, Heirs, Warlords, Chief Warlord, or Commanders. What you call them doesn’t really matter. Lords cost 100 smuckers per turn in upkeep in addition to their unit cost upkeep.
    Casters cost 250 smuckers per turn in upkeep in addition to their unit cost upkeep.
    Characters must be humanoid, and have between 7 and 10 hits.
    All Characters pop as level 1.

    Rulers
    Your Kingdom (or Domain, if you are a despicable nonroyal…) needs a Ruler. This Character is automatically Governor of your Capital. If your ruler is cwoaked and there is no heir, then all units in the field are automatically disbanded, all cities turn neutral, and you can go and find another game to play…

    Heir
    When popping a Lord, you can designate them an Heir. This costs 1000 smuckers. You can have multiple heirs, but they assume the throne in the order they were popped. Keep your heirs happy – they might decide to topple you and assume the throne. Also, you probably shouldn’t keep your Heir and Ruler in the same hex, and they certainly shouldn’t board the same aircraft…

    Chief Warlord
    The Chief Warlord gives a leadership bonus to every stack in the same hex. This is the Chief’s Level halved, rounded down. Any Lord can be promoted to Chief Warlord at a Cost of 1000 smuckers. Only one Chief Warlord per side at a time…

    Warlords & Commanders
    Lords can lead stacks in Combat. They add their leadership value into the combat formula. They count as a unit in the stack, so be careful to include their values in average defence, etc.

    Casters
    When you pop a Character, there is a chance it will be a Caster. A small chance. The more Casters you have, the smaller the chance of popping one. A Caster may not be an heir, though you will not get a refund of smuckers invested.

    Casters pop with a discipline, though Players may influence what kind of discipline by whining and throwing tantrums, or by suggesting in their fluff what kind of caster the side would appreciate. A side may not have two casters of the same type.

    Questing & Levelling
    You can send your Characters on Quests to increase their level. They disappear off into the wilds for a turn, slaying monsters and exploring ruins. There is a chance they will cwoak, but if they come back they’ll have gained a level, and might have some loot to show for it as well. The higher the level of the character, the more likely they are to cwoak on a quest.
    Casters are also more likely to cwoak on a quest, unless they are visiting the Magic Kingdom, where they can gain levels more peacefully, though it may take longer…
    You may not send units with a Character while they quest. Characters may not quest together.
    Characters may level in battle at the GM’s discretion…

    Units

    Unit Types
    There are Four unit types. Units may only form Stacks of the same type. A Character that joins a Stack assumes the same type as the rest of the Stack.

    Melee – standard hand to hand fighting units. Have an advantage against Ranged Units, so add 3 to Other in Battles.

    Heavy – also known as Siege, these units are for knocking down walls and smashing puny humanoid things... Have an advantage against Melee units, so add 3 to Other in Battles. May not have less than 12 hits. If attacking a City, a Heavy unit may apply its combat score directly to the walls of the City instead of a normal attack. Once the walls are breached, the defenders lose their defensive bonus and can be slaughtered as normal…

    Flyer – units that drop out of the sky and cwoak things. Have an advantage against Heavy units, so add 3 to Other in Battles. Ignore walls in City fights, but are vulnerable to ranged attacks from Towers.

    Ranged – shoot things with pointy arrows and other nasty zappy things. Have an advantage against Flying units, so add 3 to Other in Battles.

    Unit Stats
    Combat / Defence / Hits / Move / Type / Special
    Combat – the capacity of the unit to inflict damage on others, including cutting remarks and hitting with a stick. Must be a whole number, not less than 1.

    Defence – the capacity of a unit to protect itself and other units in the same stack. Must be a whole number, not less than 1.

    Hits – the amount of damage a unit can take before being ‘cwoaked’. Must be a whole number. Hits must always be equal to or more than Combat + Defence. As a general rule, Humanoid creatures have 8 hits.

    Move – represents how quickly a unit can move on the world map. Stacks move at the speed of the slowest unit. Move can be any whole number between 0 and 20. A unit with a Move of 0 is a Garrison Unit, and cannot leave the city where it popped.

    Type – as outlined above.

    Special – still working on this.

    Unit Cost
    While it does not cost anything to pop a unit, its upkeep must be paid each turn or it will disband or mutiny. A unit’s upkeep is calculated thus:

    Combat + Defence^3 + Hits^1.15 + Move + Special Cost (Rounded Down to nearest smucker)

    So a Garrison Stabber of 3C/2D/8H/0M will cost 21 smuckers per turn in upkeep.



    Battle!

    When Opposing Units meet in a hex, Battle results. The following formula is used to determine how many hits a Stack does to its opponent:

    Hits Inflicted = Total Stack Combat * 3 * ((Random [2d6] + Leadership + Other) / 10) / Opponents Average Defence (Rounded Down to nearest whole number)

    All hits are directed against the first unit in the stack until it is cwoaked, then flow on to the next in the order and so on…

    Average Defence = Total Defence of first 8 units / Total Number of Units (So beyond 8 units there is a disadvantage to Defence)

    Other = Modifications for Dance Fighting, Various A-Mancies, Natural Advantages, etc.

    Phasing in Battle
    The player that initiated the battle has the first “Phase” of battle. They choose which stacks engage which enemy stacks.
    Once every stack in the Battle Hex has fought a round of combat, or avoided combat if led, the battle begins again. The other side is now the “Phasing” side, and may direct which stacks engage. Regardless of phasing, a player may not reorganise their stacks during battle – units stay in their hexes and in the order within the stack. Stacks must leave the battle hex to be reorganised.

    One Shot Wonder
    In battle, each Stack has a “One Shot Wonder” (OSW) – this means that it can only attack once. A stack does not lose its OSW if it manages to destroy every unit in the stack with which it fought, unless the other stack takes at least 40 hits.
    Example 1: A Stack of Heavy Ogres is attacked by a lone Pigeon. The Pigeon is killed outright, taking 2 hits. The Ogres have not lost their OSW, and may fight again this round of battle.
    Example 2: The Ogres are attacked by a stack of 8 Marbits, each with 5 hits. The Marbits are slaughtered, but take 40 hits to be thus destroyed. The Ogres have lost their OSW.
    The upshot is that a “soak” stack should have at least 40 hits worth of units, or it may not serve its purpose.
    Once a stack has lost its OSW, it may be attacked by any other stacks in the hex without fighting back.

    Every stack in a hex must have lost its OSW (or evade combat if a led stack and phasing) before any Stack may be attacked again.
    Example: 5 stacks of Marbits are attacking a stack of Gobwins and a stack of Ogres. Both the Gobwins and Ogres must lose their OSW before either stack can be attacked again.

    Led Stacks
    Stacks which contain a Character are said to be “led”. Led stacks may choose to avoid combat in a round, if their side is “phasing”. They simply sit out the round.
    Unled stacks may not avoid combat. They must engage an enemy stack. If no orders are left, Unled stacks will engage the weakest enemy stack available.

    Specific Attack
    A led stack may focus all its attempts on eliminating a single opposing unit. Calculate as normal, then divide the hits inflicted by three, rounded down. The resulting number of hits will strike the targeted unit only.

    Shield Wall
    A led stack may declare a Shield Wall. The Stack;s average defence is increased by 2 – however a -5 is applied to its Other score in combat calculation.

    Guard
    Any stack may guard a led stack, meaning that the guarded stack may not be attacked while the guarding stack still has its OSW. A guarded stack may not guard another stack. Multiple stacks may guard the same stack. An unled stack may never be guarded.

    Wounds
    Any wounded unit automatically has its hits restored to full at the beginning of the next turn.


    Map
    Terrain and Movement (MP = Movement Points)

    Open – 2 MP
    River – 2MP to move along, 4MP for to cross
    Water – Flyers only. 2MP.
    Woods – 3MP
    Marsh – 4 MP
    Mountain – Flyers Only. 4MP.


    Smuckers
    All smuckers are held in the side’s capital, and are magically dispensed to where they are needed, as well as magically gathered. If the Capital falls, everything in the Treasury goes to the conquerors… (and the heir, if any, starts with a Treasury of zero).


    Cities

    City Walls
    The Level of the City Determines Bonus to Average Defence of Defenders (only against Ranged, Melee, or Heavy. Flying units ignore walls when attacking… so you should build a tower, maybe…)
    Level 1 +1 (10 Siege Points to Breach)
    Level 2 +3 (50 Siege Points to Breach)
    Level 3 +6 (100 Siege Points to Breach)
    Level 4 +8 (250 Siege Points to Breach)
    Level 5 +10 (500 Siege Points to Breach)

    Popping
    City Level Determines the number of Units that pop each turn (units always pop to max – if not upgraded, units will be Garrison Stabbers).
    Units Popped = Level x 2 + 2
    So a level 1 City will pop 3 units per turn.
    A level 5 City will pop 12 units per turn.

    Income
    City Level determines a base amount of income. Level x 1000 smuckers per turn.

    City Upgrade Cost
    Desired Level x 1000 smuckers – you may only upgrade to the next level in a single turn.
    If a City is Sacked, all the smuckers invested to raise it to its current level are generated. So a level 1 city generates 1000 smuckers, while a level 3 city generates 6000 smuckers.
    Cities may only be built on appropriate city sites, marked on the map by a horizontal line.

    Economic Structures
    Economic Structures may be built in the surrounding 6 hexes – only one development per hex.
    Farms – Cost 200 smuckers, produce 100 smuckers per turn (Open Hexes Only), or in River hexes produce 150 smuckers (River Hexes Only)
    Mines – Cost 400 smuckers in Hills, 600 in mountains. Produce 200 smuckers per turn. (Mountains and Hills Hexes only)
    Mills – Cost 300 smuckers, produce 100 smuckers per turn (Woods Hexes only)
    Fisheries – Cost 100 smuckers, produce 30 smuckers per turn (Water and Marsh hexes only)

    City Improvements
    Tower – Cost 2000 smuckers. Add 5 to all ranged units in the tower that target Flyers over the City. All stacks in the tower gain +3 to average defence against Flying units. Stacks in the tower may not engage enemies attacking walls, so remember to guard those as well…)

    Gateway to Magic Kingdom – Cost 1000 smuckers. May be built in Capital only. Allows Casters to “Quest” in the Magic Kingdom and learn new skills.

    Dungeon – Cost 1000 smuckers. Because everyone needs a Dungeon occasionally…
    Other developments available on application…

    Governors
    A non-caster Character can be appointed Governor of each City. Your ruler is Governor of your capital – no other Character may be Governor of your Capital. The Governor increases the income from your city and any economic structures equal to their level halved x 10%.
    So a level 4 Leader as Governor would increase the income from a City by 20%. A Level 1 would increase income by 5%.
    The Governor may not leave the City during the turn or the benefit is lost.

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     Post Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:04 pm 
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    So, let's simulate a multi stack battle

    Gobwin Bump
    8 Dwagon 17 C/ 3 D/ 20 H/ 20 M/ Flying 0 95 Total Cost: 760
    4 Ogre 8 C/ 4 D/ 12 H/ 8 M/ Heavy 0 97 Total Cost: 388

    1148 points...

    VS

    The Flintsons

    16 Stabber 3 C/ 2 D/ 8 H/ 8 M/ Melee 0 29 Total Cost: 464
    Garrison Archer 5 C/ 2 D/ 8 H/ 0 M/ Ranged 0 23 Total Cost: 0
    Archer 5 C/ 2 D/ 8 H/ 8 M/ Ranged 0 31 Total Cost: 0
    8 Bug Bear 10 C/ 2 D/ 12 H/ 8 M/ Heavy 0 43 344
    16 Marbit Archers 3 C/ 2 D/ 5 H/ 6 M/ Ranged 0 23 368

    1176 points

    Gobwin Bump array their forces:
    Stack GA - 4 Dwagons - Attack Stack FC
    Stack GB - 4 Dwagons - Attack Stack FA
    Stack GC - 4 Ogres - Attack Stack FB

    Flintsons:
    Stack FA - 8 Stabbers
    Stack FB - 8 Stabbers
    Stack FC - 8 Bug Bears
    Stack FD - 8 Marbit Archers - Attack Stack GA
    Stack FE - 8 Marbit Archers - Attack Stack GA

    Round 1! Fight!

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     Post Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:15 pm 
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    4 Dwagons attack stack FC
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 68
    Random 4
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Flyer vs Heavy)
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 71 + 0 from last round…
    5 Bug Bears cwoaked, with the next taking 11 wounds.

    8 Bug Bears attack stack GA
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 80
    Random 6
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 3

    = Hits Inflicted 48 + 0 from last round…
    2 Dwagons cwoaked, with the next taking 8 wounds.


    4 Dwagons attack stack FA
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 68
    Random 4
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 40 + 0 from last round…
    5 Stabbers cwoaked, with the next taking 0 wounds.

    8 Stabbers attack stack GB
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 24
    Random 7
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 3

    = Hits Inflicted 16 + 0 from last round…
    0 Dwagons cwoaked, with the next taking 16 wounds.


    4 Ogres attack stack FB
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 32
    Random 10
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Heavy vs Melee)
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 62 + 0 from last round…
    7 Stabbers cwoaked, with the next taking 6 wounds.

    8 Stabbers attack stack GC
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 24
    Random 6
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 10 + 0 from last round…
    0 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 8 wounds.


    8 Marbit Archers attack stack GA
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    Total Attack 24
    Random 7
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Ranged vs Flyer)
    Opponent Average Defence 3

    = Hits Inflicted 23 + 8 from previous combat…
    1 Dwagon cwoaked, with the next taking 11 wounds.

    8 Marbit Archers attack stack GB
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 24
    Random 11
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Ranged vs Flyer)
    Opponent Average Defence 3

    = Hits Inflicted 33 + 16 from last round…
    2 Dwagons cwoaked, with the next taking 9 wounds.

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     Post Posted: Fri Jul 20, 2012 10:26 pm 
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    The Flintsons are phasing now, so order the attacks...
    (all Gobwin Bump stacks must lose their OSW before any stack can be attacked twice. Hmmm.)

    Flintsons:
    Stack FA - 3 Stabbers - Attack Stack GA (and die gloriously!)
    Stack FB - 1 Stabbers w 6 wounds - Attack stack GA (and die gloriously!)
    Stack FC - 3 Bug Bears w 11 wounds - Attack Stack GC
    Stack FD - 8 Marbit Archers - Attack Stack GB (and probably die gloriously!)
    Stack FE - 8 Marbit Archers - Attack Stack GB (unless GA is still going and hasn't lost its OSW... and then die gloriously!)

    Gobwin Bump:
    Stack GA - 1 Dwagons w 11 wounds
    Stack GB - 2 Dwagons w 9 wounds
    Stack GC - 4 Ogres w 8 wounds

    Round 2! Fight!

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    3 Stabbers attack stack GA
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    Total Attack 9
    Random 9
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 3

    = Hits Inflicted 8 + 11 from last round…
    0 Dwagon cwoaked, with the next taking 19 wounds.

    1 Dwagon attack stack FA
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 17
    Random 9
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 22 + 0 from last round…
    2 Stabbers cwoaked, with the next taking 6 wounds.
    (Stack GA loses OSW as it didn't cwoak all the attackers…)

    1 Stabber attack stack GA
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    Total Attack 3
    Random 9
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 3

    = Hits Inflicted 2 + 19 from last round…
    1 0 cwoaked, with the next taking 0 wounds.
    Stack GA is cwoaked.

    3 Bug Bears attack stack GC
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 30
    Random 10
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 22 + 8 from last round…
    2 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 6 wounds.

    4 Ogres attack stack FC
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 32
    Random 7
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 33 + 11 from last round…
    3 Bug Bears cwoaked, with the next taking wounds.
    Stack FC is cwoaked.

    8 Marbit Archers attack stack GC
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 24
    Random 9
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Ranged vs Flyer)
    Opponent Average Defence 3

    = Hits Inflicted 28 + 8 from previous combat…
    1 Dwagons cwoaked, with the next taking 16 wounds.

    2 Dwagons attack stack FD
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    Total Attack 34
    Random 10
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 51 + 0 from last round…
    8 Marbit Archers cwoaked, with the next taking 0 wounds.
    Stack FD is cwoaked.

    8 Marbit Archers attack stack GC
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 24
    Random 2
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Ranged vs Flyer)
    Opponent Average Defence 3

    = Hits Inflicted 11 + 16 from previous combat…
    1 Dwagon cwoaked, with the next taking 0 wounds.
    Stack GB is cwoaked.

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    Gobwin Bump:
    Stack GA - 0 Dwagons
    Stack GB - 0 Dwagons
    Stack GC - 2 Ogres w 6 wounds
    194 points remaining

    Flintsons:
    Stack FA - 1 Stabbers w 6 wounds
    Stack FB - 1 Stabbers w 6 wounds
    Stack FC - 0 Bug Bears
    Stack FD - 0 Marbit Archers
    Stack FE - 8 Marbit Archers
    242 points remaining.

    Gobwin Bump is phasing, so choose targets. I've spotted a loop hole in the attack rules, which is that the Ogres could wipe out both stabber stacks without losing their OSW, and then move on to the Marbits. I'm going to rule that out, and make the OSW rules apply only to returning attacks. The phasing player may only make one attack per stack.

    So, stack GC will attack FE, and FA and FB will auto attack GC after the OSW is spent...

    Who will win?

    Round 3! Fight!

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    2 Ogres attack stack FE
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    Total Attack 16
    Random 11
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 26 + 0 from last round…
    5 Marbit Archers cwoaked, with the next taking 1 wounds.

    8 Marbit Archers attack stack GC
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    Total Attack 24
    Random 7
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 12 + 6 from last round…
    1 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 6 wounds.


    1 Stabber attack stack GC
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    Total Attack 3
    Random 11
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 2 + 6 from last round…
    0 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 8 wounds.


    1 Stabber attack stack GC
    Spoiler: show
    Total Attack 3
    Random 9
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 2 + 8 from last round…
    0 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 10 wounds.

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    Flintsons are phasing.

    Flintsons:
    Stack FA - 1 Stabbers w 6 wounds - Attack Stack GC First!
    Stack FB - 1 Stabbers w 6 wounds - Attack Stack GC Second!
    Stack FC - 0 Bug Bears
    Stack FD - 0 Marbit Archers
    Stack FE - 3 Marbit Archers w 1 wounds - Attack Stack GC Third!


    Gobwin Bump:
    Stack GA - 0 Dwagons
    Stack GB - 0 Dwagons
    Stack GC - 1 Ogres w 10 wounds

    Round 4! Fight!

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    1 Stabber attack stack GC
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    Total Attack 3
    Random 7
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 1 + 10 from last round…
    0 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 11 wounds.

    1 Ogres attack stack FA
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    Total Attack 8
    Random 9
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Heavy vs Melee)
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 14 + 6 from last round…
    1 Stabber cwoaked, with the next taking 0 wounds.
    Stack FA is cwoaked…

    1 Stabber attack stack GC
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    Total Attack 3
    Random 7
    Leadership 0
    Other 0
    Opponent Average Defence 4

    = Hits Inflicted 1 + 11 from last round…
    1 Ogres cwoaked, with the next taking 0 wounds.
    Stack GC is cwoaked… but gets to fight again as it hasn't lost its OSW…

    1 Ogres attack stack FB
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    Total Attack 8
    Random 11
    Leadership 0
    Other 3 (Heavy vs Melee)
    Opponent Average Defence 2

    = Hits Inflicted 16 + 6 from last round…
    1 Stabber cwoaked, with the next taking 0 wounds.
    Stack FB is cwoaked…

    So, 3 Marbit Archers survive the battle intact...

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    It's been a while since I've been in a game... but I'm definitely interested.

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     Post Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:31 pm 
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    I noticed that thread right about now, actually. Sorry about that, Dave. And thanks for the link.

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