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Stanley's plan to re-occupy FAQ seems to have been doomed. Even if Stanley had slipped past the ambush, Jillian could have lead the TV force directly to the City hexes. Foolamancy would have been an ineffective defence.

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     Post subject: Re: Summer Update - 018
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    Binty wrote:
    Stanley's plan to re-occupy FAQ seems to have been doomed. Even if Stanley had slipped past the ambush, Jillian could have lead the TV force directly to the City hexes. Foolamancy would have been an ineffective defence.

    He couldn't know that Jillian was a former citizen of Faq; he had presumably left no survivors, making Faq a perfect bolt-hole. (I allow myself the mainly-UK term, based on your user name and your spelling of "defence.")

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     Post subject: Re: Summer Update - 018
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    DevilDan wrote:
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    Stanley's plan to re-occupy FAQ seems to have been doomed. Even if Stanley had slipped past the ambush, Jillian could have lead the TV force directly to the City hexes. Foolamancy would have been an ineffective defence.

    He couldn't know that Jillian was a former citizen of Faq; he had presumably left no survivors, making Faq a perfect bolt-hole. (I allow myself the mainly-UK term, based on your user name and your spelling of "defence.")

    it's commonwealth english they could be an aussie.

    and i didn't actually expect anyone to read my faq theory let alone spark a page and a half of conversation off it.

    i stand by faq is fully operational and the carpudlians are foreshadowing that you can pay off an attacking army. it will further demoralise jillian when she eventually discovers the truth of what happened. but i'm willing to sacrifice strategy gameplay for dramatic events

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     Post subject: Re: Summer Update - 018
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    moose o death wrote:
    i stand by faq is fully operational and the carpudlians are foreshadowing that you can pay off an attacking army. it will further demoralise jillian when she eventually discovers the truth of what happened. but i'm willing to sacrifice strategy gameplay for dramatic events


    It's no surprise that bribery works in Erf. After all, shmuckers talk.

    If Faq stands, though, it would explain why its predictamancer isn't in GK's ranks... of course, a predictamancer would possibly know when to bug out to the cozier and safer Magic Kingdom... It still doesn't necessarily explain precisely why Jillian needed to be cut off.

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     Post subject: Re: Summer Update - 018
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    Here a crazy little theory: Maybe Don wants to make her ruler of the capital and then order a heir. We know that the royal bloodlines split from time to time, and we know that a city ruled by a royal pops new royals from his or her bloodline. Maybe the bloodlines got weaker over time and Don tries to create a stronger heir by reunifying different bloodlines. Jillian would rule on a administrative level, and the Don would order the heir.
    Or how else would you explain the level of sexual innuendo in this post? :?

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    DevilDan wrote:
    Binty wrote:
    Stanley's plan to re-occupy FAQ seems to have been doomed. Even if Stanley had slipped past the ambush, Jillian could have lead the TV force directly to the City hexes. Foolamancy would have been an ineffective defence.

    He couldn't know that Jillian was a former citizen of Faq; he had presumably left no survivors, making Faq a perfect bolt-hole.


    It seems like he didn't know, despite Wanda knowing and Jillian being captured a number of times. Seeing the ambush should have indicated that his plan was known however.

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     Post subject: Re: Summer Update - 018
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    Binty wrote:
    It seems like he didn't know, despite Wanda knowing and Jillian being captured a number of times. Seeing the ambush should have indicated that his plan was known however.


    Don't think Stanley will be able to figure that out. He bearly recognized Jillian as the barbarian they captured. Of course it's clear that Wanda was going to great lengths keeping Jilian real history quite and protect her from real danger where she could.

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    HandofShadows wrote:
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    It seems like he didn't know, despite Wanda knowing and Jillian being captured a number of times. Seeing the ambush should have indicated that his plan was known however.


    Don't think Stanley will be able to figure that out. He bearly recognized Jillian as the barbarian they captured. Of course it's clear that Wanda was going to great lengths keeping Jilian real history quite and protect her from real danger where she could.


    Sure, Stanley isn't the sharpest tool in the box. However, Jillian also called to Jake by name. This is how Stanley learnt Jake's name. A moment's thought would do it.

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     Post subject: Re: Summer Update - 018
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    Binty wrote:
    Sure, Stanley isn't the sharpest tool in the box. However, Jillian also called to Jake by name. This is how Stanley learnt Jake's name. A moment's thought would do it.


    "A moment's thought"... This *is* Stanley we're talking about..? :D

    Welf von Ehrwald wrote:
    Here a crazy little theory: Maybe Don wants to make her ruler of the capital and then order a heir. We know that the royal bloodlines split from time to time, and we know that a city ruled by a royal pops new royals from his or her bloodline. Maybe the bloodlines got weaker over time and Don tries to create a stronger heir by reunifying different bloodlines. Jillian would rule on a administrative level, and the Don would order the heir.
    Or how else would you explain the level of sexual innuendo in this post? :?


    I was thinking something like this also, except I was thinking Don wants to make Jillian his heir - same way Stanely was nominated as an heir by Saline. Perhaps Ceasar suspects this (or outright knows) - and this is why he's so p'd off...

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    if that were the case I'D be pissed off too. that would rank right up there with making a great white shark your dive buddy.

    she' was seriously considering making the curtains a bathroom stall. i think bogroll was a better qualified royal.

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     Post subject: Re: Summer Update - 018
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    KiltedNinja wrote:
    I was thinking Don wants to make Jillian his heir - same way Stanely was nominated as an heir by Saline. Perhaps Ceasar suspects this (or outright knows) - and this is why he's so p'd off...


    Hmm... question here is how does that affect things... Could she be made an heir directly from Barbarian? Or would she have to switch sides (as opposed to a mere alliance)?

    Let's say Jillian does reclaim Faq, for whatever reason, she becomes ruler, Queen of Faq. Now let's say she's also made heir to Don King, a potential future ruler of Transylvito. Now would tying that kind of political knot have more "strength" than an alliance? Would it need to?

    This kinda seems like a political marriage between kingdoms...

    Would that make Jillian on the side of Transylvito, Transylvito on the side of Faq, or would they combine as a new side altogether with an appropriate natural turn order and all that stuff associated with a side?

    Maybe I'm traveling too far outside the box here... but if not this might be another advantage of being royal
    (Though it's probably not excluded to non-royalty.)

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    I'm confused: Do we have any real reason to think that Don King wants anything from Jillian but her advice and assistance in taking on the dwagon-riding, arkenhammer-wielding, seemingly-invincible, unbalanced Stanley and his mysterious (former) chief warlord?

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    DevilDan wrote:
    I'm confused: Do we have any real reason to think that Don King wants anything from Jillian but her advice and assistance in taking on the dwagon-riding, arkenhammer-wielding, seemingly-invincible, unbalanced Stanley and his mysterious (former) chief warlord?


    Mainly the secretiveness of the whole affair. If he wanted only a mercenary, he just could have ordered Ceasar to hire her. Ceasar is the man out there and will lead the armies of TV when/if they attack Stanley. And why should Don talk to her privately without his chief military officer, and what is all that fuss about royal stuff?

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    Welf von Ehrwald wrote:
    Mainly the secretiveness of the whole affair. If he wanted only a mercenary, he just could have ordered Ceasar to hire her. Ceasar is the man out there and will lead the armies of TV when/if they attack Stanley. And why should Don talk to her privately without his chief military officer, and what is all that fuss about royal stuff?

    I admit that it's a little suspicious. Certainly Transylvitians don't seem to have much time for the rigmarole and foofaraw of royalty and nobility, but what their own internal customs are is far different from how they would behave toward the royals and nobles of other nations, and particularly how they would behave toward an heir (one who can in short order become queen).

    Don King is still king, and while he may not stand on ceremony he still has the "breeding and training" (though neither applies precisely here... call it the natural instincts) that would lead him to treat JIllian as her station would traditionally demand, assuming that he believes her story. In fact, now that the upstart Stanley has crushed the Royal Crown Coalition, royalty may become a slightly more important matter to the Don and to other royals.

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     Post subject: Re: Summer Update - 018
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    Sorry, double-post

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    DevilDan wrote:
    I admit that it's a little suspicious. Certainly Transylvitians don't seem to have much time for the rigmarole and foofaraw of royalty and nobility, but what their own internal customs are is far different from how they would behave toward the royals and nobles of other nations, and particularly how they would behave toward an heir (one who can in short order become queen).

    Don King is still king, and while he may not stand on ceremony he still has the "breeding and training" (though neither applies precisely here... call it the natural instincts) that would lead him to treat JIllian as her station would traditionally demand, assuming that he believes her story. In fact, now that the upstart Stanley has crushed the Royal Crown Coalition, royalty may become a slightly more important matter to the Don and to other royals.


    Probably true; maybe TV will change its attitude now faced with an real, non-royal threat. Perhaps this is the first time in known erf-history, that an non-royal beat a coalition of royals on that scale.
    But I think these changes will be more unconscious and not so fast. And even if Don King decided to change it's attitude towards royalty, why did he embarrass Ceasar, one of the most powerful nobles/royals of his side, by not telling him what he plans with Jillian? A unit, he only suspects to be royal, and that constantly shows that she doesn't care about manners?
    So many questions.[/quote]

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    Welf von Ehrwald wrote:
    And even if Don King decided to change it's attitude towards royalty, why did he embarrass Ceasar, one of the most powerful nobles/royals of his side, by not telling him what he plans with Jillian?

    How do you know Don King didn't tell him? Maybe he did tell him, and he didn't like it.

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    SteveMB wrote:
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    And even if Don King decided to change it's attitude towards royalty, why did he embarrass Ceasar, one of the most powerful nobles/royals of his side, by not telling him what he plans with Jillian?

    How do you know Don King didn't tell him? Maybe he did tell him, and he didn't like it.


    In fact, if Caesar has a good mind at all, Don King would be likely to consult him on important decisions. I think he'd be almost certain to inform his chief warlord of such decisions.

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    DevilDan wrote:
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    And even if Don King decided to change it's attitude towards royalty, why did he embarrass Ceasar, one of the most powerful nobles/royals of his side, by not telling him what he plans with Jillian?

    How do you know Don King didn't tell him? Maybe he did tell him, and he didn't like it.


    In fact, if Caesar has a good mind at all, Don King would be likely to consult him on important decisions. I think he'd be almost certain to inform his chief warlord of such decisions.



    Yeah, I got the impression that Caesar was told, which was the whole point of him storming out like that, just before Jillian entered. I have no idea what's up. Either an alliance (which based on Caesar's attitude towards Jillian, he may not approve of) or it's some sort of fix, where Jillian is now disarmed and could be imprisoned if she refuses. Since Vinny said "you're going to wish it was the dungeons," I think it may be more like the former.

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    DevilDan wrote:
    In fact, if Caesar has a good mind at all, Don King would be likely to consult him on important decisions. I think he'd be almost certain to inform his chief warlord of such decisions.


    True, I reread it and could not found any hint that Caesar does not know what Don's intentions are. I interpreted his bad mood after the thinkagram as a sign that Don did not told him what he plans.

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