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Daemonwelsh wrote:
3) Dominaria has yet to have been revealed in terms of its size, something which no other has sought to look for


Ahem. Several sides are unspecified in dimension.

No, actually-> Dominaria's empire is rather small and extends almost entirely underneath a sea bottom (except a part that's located near Gerardion, which recently stumbled into Dominaria).

1. Whatever the means, MINING IS HARDER than building/capturing cities above ground; extending/upgrading such an empire is hard work.
2. Dominaria is DEEP UNDERGROUND, therefore it has nowhere to put rock it digs out to extend tunnels. (Think about it.)
3. Dominaria LACKS LOOKAMANCY, so did not know how to extend, in a targeted fashion, towards being underneath specific places.

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     Post Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:26 pm 
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    Gerardion acquires RARE GEMS.

    1)Castle Gerardion has GEM MINES.
    2) Dominaria's SKILLED MINERS are working for Gerardion.
    3)Gerardion possesses a POWERFUL LOOKAMANCER. (to find additional possible mining sites for the miners to work and to maintain security of the miners)

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    2. Dominaria is DEEP UNDERGROUND, therefore it has nowhere to put rock it digs out to extend tunnels. (Think about it.)


    @bland: so how do dwarves dig underground fortresses? Or how do underground races dig underground fortresses, without a connection to the surface, even? :D

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     Post Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 4:51 pm 
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    zilfallon wrote:
    @bland: so how do dwarves dig underground fortresses? Or how do underground races dig underground fortresses, without a connection to the surface, even? :D


    They don't :P

    Even Moria had a door. You want to move stuff out of the way to make a tunnel, that's fine, but that stuff has to go somewhere else. Presumably, just like mines on Earth, underground fantasy races do the same. It's just one thing that the authors didn't bother to illustrate. Just like they didn't bother to elaborate on how the Hero uses the loo.

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    Play Dwarf Fortress and you'll learn all about it. You come to bless the day you find an underground cavern so you can stop building the giant tower over your fortress just to get rid of stone.

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    The WeatherToffs pop an INDOMITABLE AIRFORCE

    1) The WeatherToffs have POWERFUL FLYERS
    2) The WeatherToffs have an ENORMOUS TREASURY
    3) The WeatherToffs have recently fought a battle causing them to reassess the key elements of an effective air force.

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    thetobias wrote:
    ... If this argument succeeds I invite you to enjoy your imminent destruction at the hands of The Munchking and Allies.

    But only the one who actually destroys me would win. Alliances are going to crumble as soon as someone gets reasonably close to winning. Maybe my poor arguments are a diplomatic tool to prevent my alliance from turning on me, since they know I won't succeed.. Maybe. >.>"

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     Post Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 9:24 pm 
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    The Escotian peacekeeping mission in Arkadia/Andwoidia (ESCORKAND) supports the defense of Arkadia, though regrettably Arkadia is reduced to a level 1 in the fighting.

    1) Escotia has an INVINCIBLE NAVY to provide fire support.
    2) Artillery fire is... rather indiscriminate about what it blows up.
    3) Arkadia is under attack by a massive force of Andwoidians, justifying the liberal use of artillery to defend Arkadia.

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    The Queendom of Frank launches a series of devastating raids against Risun's inner territories Rating: Strong Target: 4 Roll: 2 Result: SUCCESS!
    No, actually, Risun's garrison troops easily defeat the Frankish invasion, routing Frank's forces. Rating: Normal Target: 3 Roll: 4 Result: FAILURE.

    Andwoidia launches a second, much more powerful assault against Arcadia, this time succeeding in taking control of Arcadia. Rating: Strong Target: 4 Roll: 5 Result: FAILURE.
    No, actually Andwoidia's forces fail at capturing Arkadia and end up being decimated, leaving Andwoidia's capital open for a devastating counterattack. Rating: Normal Target: 3 Roll: 4 Result: FAILURE.
    No, actually the Escotian peacekeeping mission in Arkadia/Andwoidia (ESCORKAND) supports the defense of Arkadia, though regrettably Arkadia is reduced to a level 1 in the fighting. Rating: Weak Target: 2 Roll: 2 Result: SUCCESS!

    Dominaria has an empire which rivals that of the histories of old, an empire which extends from all corners of the world to form a INDESCRIBABLE EMPIRE Rating: Normal Target: 3 Roll: 6 Result: FAILURE.
    "No, actually-> Dominaria's empire is rather small and extends almost entirely underneath a sea bottom (except a part that's located near Gerardion, which recently stumbled into Dominaria).
    " Rating: Normal Target: 3 Roll: 4 Result: FAILURE.

    Gerardion acquires RARE GEMS. Rating: Strong Target: 4 Roll: 2 Result: SUCCESS!

    The WeatherToffs pop an INDOMITABLE AIRFORCE Rating: Strong Target: 4 Roll: 4 Result: SUCCESS!

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     Post Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 10:10 pm 
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    Shusagi
    Side: Andwoidia
    Ruler: Mr.Roboto
    Andwoidia has a LOYAL ARMY
    Andwoidia has POWERFUL SEIGE
    Andwoidia has an EXPERIENCED FOOLAMANCER
    Mr.Roboto has been predicted to have a FAVORABLE FATE
    Andwoidia is surrounded by NATURAL ALLIES
    The Weather Toffs are allied with Andwoidia
    Arcadia is actually a city state within Andwoidia
    Arkadia, Risun, Andwoidia, and the Weather Toffs form a POWERFUL COALITION
    Risun breaks alliance promptly, launching a strike force deep into Andwoidia and capturing core cities.

    BLANDCorporatio
    Side: House Ordos.
    House Ordos has a POWERFUL ECONOMY.
    House Ordos has a BAD REPUTATION WITH OTHER SIDES.
    House Ordos produces STRONG MAGIC ITEMS.
    House Ordos has a MERCENARY* ARMY.
    House Ordos has a CUNNING LEADER.
    The Ordos are a part of the Risun's trade network
    House Ordos has an ENORMOUS AMOUNT OF MONEY from selling antipersonnel mines to Escotia.
    House Ordos has POWERFUL SIEGE.
    House Ordos obtains FOOLAMANCY EXPERTISE in exchange for installing STUFFAMANCY ARTILLERY* in Arkadia.

    Sihoiba
    Weather Toffs
    Ruler: The Great Lord Fahrenheit
    The Weather Toffs have FAST SCOUTS.
    The Weather Toffs have POWERFUL FLYERS.
    The Weather Toffs have a FLYING CAPITAL.
    The Weather Toffs have an EXPERT PREDICTAMANCER.
    The Weather Toffs have an ENORMOUS TREASURY.
    The Weather Toffs have located the forces of the opposing empires.
    The Weather Toffs are allied with Andwoidia
    The WeatherToffs have sneaked a large flying force into Escotia.
    The Commonwealth of Escotia defeats the Weather Toffs' flying incursion force in battle
    Arkadia, Risun, Andwoidia, and the Weather Toffs form a POWERFUL COALITION
    The WeatherToffs pop an INDOMITABLE AIRFORCE

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    Side: The Commonwealth of Escotia
    Ruler: The Lord Protector
    Escotia is an ISLAND NATION.
    Escotia has a VAST EMPIRE.
    Escotia has an INVINCIBLE NAVY.
    Escotia has a DISCIPLINED ARMY.
    Escotia has BRILLIANT CASTERS.
    Escotia has a BOOMING ECONOMY
    Escotia has ANTIPERSONNEL MINES
    The Commonwealth of Escotia hires Frankish flyers and casters
    The Commonwealth of Escotia defeats the Weather Toffs' flying incursion force in battle
    The Lord Protector deploys Escotian forces as peacekeepers to stop both Risun and Andwoidian forces:
    The Escotian peacekeeping mission in Arkadia/Andwoidia (ESCORKAND) supports the defense of Arkadia, though regrettably Arkadia is reduced to a level 1 in the fighting.

    Iylzara
    Side: The Queendom of Frank
    Ruler: Queen Frank
    The Queendom of Frank is A MOUNTAIN NATION
    The Queendom of Frank is MINERAL RICH
    The Queendom of Frank has a SMALL ARMY
    The Queendom of Frank has A LOT OF FLIERS
    The Queendom of Frank has MANY SHOCKAMANCERS
    The Queendom of Frank has a LARGE SCALE MINING OPERATION
    Queendom of Frank sells fliers and shockamancers to Risun for a large MERCENARY PAYMENT.
    The Queendom of Frank earns a HIGH REPUTATION FOR MERCENARY WORK
    The Queendom of Frank accumulates a TREMENDOUS ECONOMY
    The Queendom of Frank continues training its fliers to UNMATCHED STATUS
    The Queendom of Frank launches a series of devastating raids against Risun's inner territories

    Nihila
    Side: Risun
    Ruler: Emperor Hai Tro Chen
    The Empire of Risun has a FANATICAL ARMY.
    The Empire of Risun controls VALUABLE PORTS.
    The Empire of Risun has an EXPERIENCED AIR FORCE.
    The Empire of Risun has a COMPETENT NAVY.
    The Empire of Risun has a SHREWD RULER.
    Risun has a TRADE NETWORK
    Risun launches a series of piratical raids on Andwoidia's coastal cities, capturing many and razing the rest.
    Queendom of Frank sells fliers and shockamancers to Risun for a large MERCENARY PAYMENT.
    Arcadia joins Risun's trade network
    Arkadia, Risun, Andwoidia, and the Weather Toffs form a POWERFUL COALITION
    Risun breaks alliance promptly, launching a strike force deep into Andwoidia and capturing core cities.

    Daemonwelsh
    Side: Dominaria
    Ruler: Urza
    Dominaria has a POWERFUL MILITIA
    Dominaria has LOYAL MINERS
    Dominaria has SKILLED MINERS
    Dominaria's capital, Urza's tower, is built DEEP UNDERGROUND
    Dominaria has NUMEROUS MINERS
    Dominaria has begun an EARTHAMANCY BATTERY
    Dominaria has a set of POWERFUL ARTIFACTS: the EARTHAMANCY BATTERY, a powerplant powered by PURE URZA, and a massive EARTHAMANCY TOWER
    Dominaria has a mass produced army of POWERFUL GOLEMS
    Gerardion supplies Dominaria with additional gems, taking some of Dominaria's SKILLED MINERS as payment.

    zilfallon
    Side: Gerardion
    Ruler: Sovereign
    Gerardion possesses a STRONG GROUND-FORCE.
    Gerardion has a POWERFUL CROAKAMANCER.
    Gerardion's capital, Castle Gerardion, is HEAVILY FORTIFIED.
    Castle Gerardion has GEM MINES.
    Gerardion has a POWERFUL LOOKAMANCER.
    Gerardion creates an UNCROAKED ARMY.
    Gerardion supplies Dominaria with additional gems, taking some of Dominaria's SKILLED MINERS as payment.
    Gerardion acquires RARE GEMS.

    thetobias
    Side Arkadia
    Ruler The Munchking
    The Munchking is a BRILLIANT TACTICIAN
    Arkadia has a LARGE FLEET
    The Arcade is a LEVEL ONE CITY
    Arkadia is a FLOURISHING CITY-STATE
    Arkadia has a MASTER-CLASS FOOLAMANCER
    Arcadia is actually a city state within Andwoidia
    Arcadia joins Risun's trade network
    House Ordos obtains FOOLAMANCY EXPERTISE in exchange for installing STUFFAMANCY ARTILLERY* in Arkadia.
    Arkadia, Risun, Andwoidia, and the Weather Toffs form a POWERFUL COALITION


    48 hours begins now.

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     Post Posted: Tue Dec 28, 2010 11:18 pm 
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    The WeatherToffs send their INDOMITABLE AIRFORCE into The Queendom of Frank's territories and encounter no resistance.

    1) The WeatherToffs have scouted out the location of the forces of the other empires.
    2) The Queendom of Frank has sold large numbers of it's Flyers and Shockomancers to other sides for MERCENARY WORK.
    3) The Queendom of Frank SMALL ARMY and it's remaining flyers are committed to the assault on Risun's territories.

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    Mr.Roboto of Andwoidia appoints the Munchking of Arkadia as his Chief Warlord and takes over control of Arkadia peacefully.
    Reason:
    1) Arkadia is a LEVEL ONE CITY that is already a city within Andwoidia, and thus it is illogical for it to be ruled over separately from the rest of Andwoidia (It's only one city, and a level one at that)
    2) Andwoidia has a LOYAL ARMY, and as the Arcade is within Andwoidia, its troops are indeed Andwoidian, and too loyal to prevent Andwoidia's actions.
    3) Andwoidia and Arkadia are both part of a POWERFUL COALITION (in other words, they're allied) and would benefit greatly due to this arrangement: Andwoidia would gain the skills of a BRILLIANT TACTICIAN, and the Munchking, whose city has nearly been destroyed, will be working with somebody that has a FAVORABLE FATE.

    (And of course, the peacekeepers will be quite happy with this peaceful solution)

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    Dominaria compresses excess materials into INDOMITABLE BRICKS with its urza-tron-ness.

    1)Underground civilizations need to use excess materials for something
    2)Dominaria is a powerful underground civilization who had plenty of time to do this
    3) Dominaria has access to a great earthamancy artifact which allows it to replicate the earths forces.

    (note for those who don't understand what I mean, I am using the idea of compression, such as with diamonds, to create hardened bricks. I have yet to state what they will be used for.)

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    Just for a spot of fun, here's a map I drew of what I think our matrix world looks like.

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    Sihoiba wrote:
    The WeatherToffs send their INDOMITABLE AIRFORCE into The Queendom of Frank's territories and encounter no resistance.

    1) The WeatherToffs have scouted out the location of the forces of the other empires.
    2) The Queendom of Frank has sold large numbers of it's Flyers and Shockomancers to other sides for MERCENARY WORK.
    3) The Queendom of Frank SMALL ARMY and it's remaining flyers are committed to the assault on Risun's territories.


    No, actually, the invasion force is caught by a new wave of popping archers and returning fliers and crushed by its superior firepower.

    1) The Queendom of Frank has UNMATCHED STATUS fliers (fast enough to return in time to drive the attack away)
    2) The Queendom of Frank a TREMENDOUS ECONOMY (To pay for the new units).
    3) The Queendom of Frank has MANY SHOCKAMANCERS

    I really like that map. I don't know why, its very simple. But I like it.

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    Iylzara wrote:
    Sihoiba wrote:
    The WeatherToffs send their INDOMITABLE AIRFORCE into The Queendom of Frank's territories and encounter no resistance.

    1) The WeatherToffs have scouted out the location of the forces of the other empires.
    2) The Queendom of Frank has sold large numbers of it's Flyers and Shockomancers to other sides for MERCENARY WORK.
    3) The Queendom of Frank SMALL ARMY and it's remaining flyers are committed to the assault on Risun's territories.


    No, actually, the invasion force is caught by a new wave of popping archers and returning fliers and crushed by its superior firepower.

    1) The Queendom of Frank has UNMATCHED STATUS fliers (fast enough to return in time to drive the attack away)
    2) The Queendom of Frank a TREMENDOUS ECONOMY (To pay for the new units).
    3) The Queendom of Frank has MANY SHOCKAMANCERS


    Indomitable: adj. Incapable of being overcome, subdued, or vanquished; unconquerable

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    Sihoiba wrote:
    Iylzara wrote:
    Sihoiba wrote:
    The WeatherToffs send their INDOMITABLE AIRFORCE into The Queendom of Frank's territories and encounter no resistance.

    1) The WeatherToffs have scouted out the location of the forces of the other empires.
    2) The Queendom of Frank has sold large numbers of it's Flyers and Shockomancers to other sides for MERCENARY WORK.
    3) The Queendom of Frank SMALL ARMY and it's remaining flyers are committed to the assault on Risun's territories.


    No, actually, the invasion force is caught by a new wave of popping archers and returning fliers and crushed by its superior firepower.

    1) The Queendom of Frank has UNMATCHED STATUS fliers (fast enough to return in time to drive the attack away)
    2) The Queendom of Frank a TREMENDOUS ECONOMY (To pay for the new units).
    3) The Queendom of Frank has MANY SHOCKAMANCERS


    Indomitable: adj. Incapable of being overcome, subdued, or vanquished; unconquerable


    Well, we saw "unmatched forces" get defeated before.

    Also, Frank has UNMATCHED fliers, which is very close to "indomitable" in meaning, so the argument isn't invalid as you pointed out.

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    zilfallon wrote:
    Sihoiba wrote:
    Iylzara wrote:

    No, actually, the invasion force is caught by a new wave of popping archers and returning fliers and crushed by its superior firepower.

    1) The Queendom of Frank has UNMATCHED STATUS fliers (fast enough to return in time to drive the attack away)
    2) The Queendom of Frank a TREMENDOUS ECONOMY (To pay for the new units).
    3) The Queendom of Frank has MANY SHOCKAMANCERS


    Indomitable: adj. Incapable of being overcome, subdued, or vanquished; unconquerable


    Well, we saw "unmatched forces" get defeated before.

    Also, Frank has UNMATCHED fliers, which is very close to "indomitable" in meaning, so the argument isn't invalid as you pointed out.


    unmatched fliers do not neccesarily mean they are unbeatable.
    Indomitable airforce also doesnt mean they cannot be beaten.

    Each flier may be unmatched, but in what situation? 1v1? 10v1? 100V1?

    the entire airforce may be indomitable, but is each portion of it indomitable?

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    I'm an English teacher, I know what indomitable means. I think what happens is that we simply both get stronger arguments.

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    Shusagi wrote:
    Mr.Roboto of Andwoidia appoints the Munchking of Arkadia as his Chief Warlord and takes over control of Arkadia peacefully.
    Reason:
    1) Arkadia is a LEVEL ONE CITY that is already a city within Andwoidia, and thus it is illogical for it to be ruled over separately from the rest of Andwoidia (It's only one city, and a level one at that)
    2) Andwoidia has a LOYAL ARMY, and as the Arcade is within Andwoidia, its troops are indeed Andwoidian, and too loyal to prevent Andwoidia's actions.
    3) Andwoidia and Arkadia are both part of a POWERFUL COALITION (in other words, they're allied) and would benefit greatly due to this arrangement: Andwoidia would gain the skills of a BRILLIANT TACTICIAN, and the Munchking, whose city has nearly been destroyed, will be working with somebody that has a FAVORABLE FATE.

    (And of course, the peacekeepers will be quite happy with this peaceful solution)


    No, actually, ESCORKAND peacekeepers enter the ruined city of Arkadia to provide the Arkadians with succor in their time of most dire need.

    1) Arkadia has recently been reduced from a "GRAND CITY" that was level five to a smouldering level one ruin.
    2) ESCORKAND's mission is to ultimately prevent the annexation of either side in the Arkadian-Andwoidian conflict, thus justifying its own humanitarian efforts rather than allowing Andwoidian ones to proceed.
    3) Escotia has a VAST EMPIRE and BOOMING ECONOMY to fund its humanitarian efforts.

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    And a slightly prettier map.

    With some boats.

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