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I can't imagine Big Think will be unable to judge Roger's intentions with the state of mind he is in, and since this is very clearly Bad behavior on Roger's part it might be decided immediately to nullify him.


I can't help but think how the units around him now would react to that. They'd probably think it was CC, and that would (a) scare the CRAP out of them, and (b) strongly underscore to Caesar that it was right for him to have picked GK.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    paddywagon man wrote:
    I'm happy to see that Claud still hasn't been subsumed into the Isaac Overmind or whatever we're calling it these days.

    Spawn more overlords!

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    dichologos wrote:
    (though you can apparently follow strings across hexes, as was done to croak the Archons in the tunnels)


    Wait, isn't the MK a single, huge hex?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    A trust fund between sides... could this be the first international trust?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Claud looks Chibi.
    Isaac looks dead.
    Ben looks happy. Well, why the hell shouldn't he? Dude is rolling in money now, a nice change from previous conditions. Probably feels like being able to breath again.

    I do wonder why specifically PGLH wants RVC to contact Ivan, and not Wanda. But I suppose to ask the question is to answer it. He wants results, not arguments, and Wanda isn't exactly pliable. Hell, does he even know Wanda has been repatriated? No, I guess he doesn't. I checked, and RVC only said the prisoners got a reprieve.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Corrupt User wrote:
    And the threads start coming together...



    Right before they start to fall apart.
    http://archives.erfworld.com/Book+3/264

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Sylvan wrote:
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    And the threads start coming together...



    Right before they start to fall apart.


    Bets on threads falling apart due to getting cut? We know Big Think has the scissors.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Sixty wrote:
    Did Roger know about Ivan and Claude being decrypted? Just hearing "our new dirtamancer Ivan Poe" might make Roger assume the worst and "confirm" for him that GK destroyed the temple.


    Roger actually doesn't even know that the Great Minds croaked Ivan and Claud. He was not part of the 17-link that did it. He was talking to Those who Matter at the time on behalf of the Minds. In fact, he was certain the GMs would never do such a thing as it was so morally reprehensible. So this will certainly raise questions for him (but maybe not before he has to deal with Deisaac).

    Loved this update. Out of the all the possibilities for Roger's subplot, I didn't expect this one at all. Also "Trust Fund" is perfect!

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
     Post Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:43 pm 
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    dichologos wrote:
    I doubt Roger would be croaked, in any case. I mean, there's nothing to indicate that you can croak across hexes yet - for the first part (though you can apparently follow strings across hexes, as was done to croak the Archons in the tunnels). Also, Roger could probably be convinced normally or simply mind-controlled with better effect than actually killing him, especially when he could be a valuable asset. I don't see Isaac wanting to kill Roger off unless he actually discovered his secrets...something which is actually quite possible in his new state, if they were to be in a call together. Hmmn.


    That's the issue, though. Roger's secrets were so dire he actually hid them away from himself and now they're open to be seen. If he connects his mind to Isaac's, there's a pretty good chance Roger's deception is laid bare and that's enough reason for severe punishment. The Minds were never above croaking casters, and a betrayal so deep could merit an execution.

    As far as croaking across hexes, you're right that we don't know. The only evidence we have that it could be done is Bunny's fear that the Arkendish could attack people through a call. If Isaac's new powers are comparable to the Dish, and I think they are, directly connecting to him through a thinkagram could open one's mind to an assault.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    dichologos wrote:
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    So...do you think Isaac still trusts Parson and wants to work with him, despite the destruction of the temple? If so, it's quite possible that Roger doesn't survive this call. I can't imagine Big Think will be unable to judge Roger's intentions with the state of mind he is in, and since this is very clearly Bad behavior on Roger's part it might be decided immediately to nullify him.

    Of course, Big Think might not be concerned with anything but reaching its new source of juice and destroying Charlescomm now. Roger's intentions could be so low of a priority that he isn't even worth croaking yet.

    I believe that Isaac would trust Parson just as much as before, as I doubt he believes that the temple being destroyed was his fault, rather than Charlie's fault.

    But Parson said he was sorry for what happened at the temple. Who else but the person culpable would ever claim that they were sorry?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    hyzmarca wrote:
    At her core, Wanda wants to save everyone.


    I... don't get that impression from Wanda. Her idea of "saving" everyone is to finish Fate's plan, even if that means she can finally croak. Roger's updates indicated that being so intent on her own destruction grants her a special power.


    Roger hasn't seen her stone garden. Wanda thinks that fighting fate is futile. That doesn't mean that she's on Fate's side, just that she wants to minimize the damage and feels that going with the flow is the best way to do that. But who she is in the dark is best exemplified by the stone garden. She's someone who deeply mourns everyone she has lost and is defined by that mourning, and that desire to undo Death. I believe that if Wanda were to meet the Reaper, she'd try to kick its ass.


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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Has anyone seen the Wonky Wrench yet? I'm hoping we get some exposition on its location after Ivan's disposition of it, especially that the doll doesn't get back hold of it and cause any shenanigans.

    A Chekhov's magic item nearly as powerful as an Arkentool isn't something to leave lying about!

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    I like that Caesar, having experienced Parson's unusual and unprecedented habit of apologizing for things he wasn't responsible for, is now hastily explaining that behavior to others who would be just as surprised by it as he first was, while Parson isn't taking that oddity into consideration.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Trust exercise. Convert GK gold to gems, give to TV. Incur penalties at 500K per pop instead, get back, convert to gold, pay lower penalty?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Ceasar just reffered to himself as Regent, with capital 'R'. So that settles that discussion, and affirms that he intend to 'pop the royal heir' (Would have been a real waste to cancel the heir so close to completion anyway).

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    OH FUG.

    I'm sure this has already been speculated on, but I myself have a sneaking suspicion that Roger is going to regret leaving that door unlocked. Probably immediately after 'gramming the state 8.1.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    I just want someone to look at me the way Wanda looks at corpses.

    Also, Big Think and Dirty Moon for best couple 2k17.

    I'll call them The Big Dirty.

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    I just want someone to look at me the way Wanda looks at corpses.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Knott wrote:
    Ceasar just reffered to himself as Regent, with capital 'R'. So that settles that discussion, and affirms that he intend to 'pop the royal heir' (Would have been a real waste to cancel the heir so close to completion anyway).

    That was confirmed ages ago: "On the heir, he said 'Course I'm gonna pop it (b/c TV has no heir) but flip that witch if she's gonna say her loyalty depends on if I do or not.'" What's interesting to me here is that apparently he does care enough if Roger's loyalty depends on it to call himself Regent. I mean, it certainly makes sense under the circumstances but it's interesting to see where Caesar draws the line on formalities. He openly says it's Parson telling him to trust Roger but it seems unlikely that using the title would have been Parson's idea.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Roger saying he's completing a call, doesn't mean he'll complete the call. Fake relaying it.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 269
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    Knott wrote:
    Ceasar just reffered to himself as Regent, with capital 'R'. So that settles that discussion, and affirms that he intend to 'pop the royal heir' (Would have been a real waste to cancel the heir so close to completion anyway).

    Yeah, that was established back on Page 226. He's popping the heir, but Vanna can flip herself if she thinks her opinion had anything to do with his decision.

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    I just want someone to look at me the way Wanda looks at corpses.

    Indeed. :)

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