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 Post subject: Digdoug - Episode 12
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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    So Charlie gets paid twice whatever happens

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    just had a big LOL at the last line. :)

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    So I sincerely hope he tries. He may indeed be a treacherous schemer, but he has no idea what a little Carnymancy can do to one’s best-laid plans.”


    Dramatic irony much? I think at this point we can be fairly sure this is going to backfire spectacularly... The real question is how?

    There is very little doubt that Charlie can easily overcome Bucky's Carnymancy, even at range, although he may need a linked caster as some sort of conduit. It might be possible that Charlie can use Carnymancy to dodge the contract itself, but being caught doing that would be an even worse blow to his reputation than switching sides in a conflict, since it reveals he's not really bound by contracts; his reputation is worth much more than a couple hundred thousand Shmuckers.

    ...But that's all just if he gets caught. The contract he's breaking is secret; neither Delkey nor Numloch know about it. All Delkey would think is that the horizontal strategy failed after all, since even with Dirtamancy bonuses the city fell to an air attack where its infantry were less useful. Dove and Digdoug could probably still escape to the Magic Kingdom even if the city goes neutral, since casters can bypass the portal off-turn, but Dove very well might be in on Charlie's ploy. She could probably just kill or capture Digdoug and then be escorted out by the archons as part of their agreement.

    Still, it's a pretty big risk Charlie would be taking. I wouldn't do it in his place, but maybe he really likes his odds, or maybe he's got something else in mind.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    "He may indeed be a treacherous schemer, but he has no idea what a little Carnymancy can do to one’s best-laid plans." My faith in Posbrake just fell by about 5000 basis points. He's clearly a clever guy, but surely his plan can't work now that he has explained it to us (by the Unspoken Plan Guarantee), and worst of all he's assuming that Charlie doesn't understand Carnymancy.

    It also seems pretty clear that Charlie was always going to be the source of the massive attack by air, and this whole tricky arrangement is just an attempt to control exactly how that attack happens. I'm sure that Charlie would be very happy to take Numloch's 300,000 shmuckers, no matter what Charlie says. Posbrake is hoping that Charlie will betray Homekey, but what I want to know is how many shmuckers would Charlie need to pay Dove to get Dove to betray Homekey? A few little tweaks to the spell she's casting on Posbrake could do wonders for Posbrake's best-laid plans.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    Radagast wrote:
    just had a big LOL at the last line. :)


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    He (Charlie) may indeed be a treacherous schemer, but he has no idea what a little Carnymancy can do to one’s best-laid plans.


    rofl, yeah. Something tells me this isn't going to go well for them.

    Still, Dove being in league with Charlie feels... too obvious. I don't like to analyze stories at the meta level, but I can't help but think something nobody is expecting is going to happen.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    Posbreak is fucked.

    I don't know where the betrayal is coming from, whether Charlie, Dove, wherever, but as soon as you say Charlie doesn't know what a little Carnymancy can do to one's plans, you've already lost.

    Just in what they've said I can see a loophole to abuse. Charlie is bound to only use minimal force. That doesn't mean he couldn't bring a completely massive force of Archons to compensate. They would all be firing minimally, but with such massive numbers it would still do a ton of damage. And then they withdraw at the end of the fight, which could also be the end of the side.

    And even if the spell of Posbreak is what Dove says it is, it only bars ranged attacks. Ranged magics would still get through. There is lots of nastiness that wouldn't register as an attack.

    Scenario. The Archons are using Foolamancy, but because it's Foolamancy, it tricks Homekey as well. Those on the tower are made to believe that Charlie has betrayed them and is actually attacking them. Digdoug sees an Archon land and head towards the King. He intercepts with a golem and strikes it down, only to see the veil fade away. Woops, Digdoug has croaked his own king. Charlie hasn't breached contract, but gets to reap the rewards. Digdoug would technically be owed the bounty at that point, but I don't think he'd be able to collect it, being stuck in the neutral city.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    The king can just order them not to attack him. So no the Golem won't kill the king. Plus Charlie does not double deal. Charlie will perform his false attack. They will exchange false blows. The people of Delkey will see the fight. They may or may not see through the veils. The King will indeed be immune to ranged attacks. Then Charlie will withdraw. He is not going to betray his clients. Period.

    Next turn he will of course, complete his contract with Numlock and attempt an attack on Posbreak.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    Lamech wrote:
    The king can just order them not to attack him. So no the Golem won't kill the king. Plus Charlie does not double deal. Charlie will perform his false attack. They will exchange false blows. The people of Delkey will see the fight. They may or may not see through the veils. The King will indeed be immune to ranged attacks. Then Charlie will withdraw. He is not going to betray his clients. Period.

    Next turn he will of course, complete his contract with Numlock and attempt an attack on Posbreak.

    But Doug wouldn't have been attacking the King. To him, he would have been attacking an Archon.

    The letter of the contract dictates what he needs to do, and what he cannot do. As long as he does what he was hired for, and doesn't do anything explicitly forbidden, he can do whatever he likes. Especially because he's also under contract by Numloch to attack Homekey. So he can sucker Homekey into being the ones to break contract, and then destroy them.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    Lipkin wrote:
    He intercepts with a golem and strikes it down, only to see the veil fade away. Woops, Digdoug has croaked his own king.
    I seriously doubt that Foolamancy could cause someone to lose track of his own stack. Maybe it could cause Digdoug to mistake a friendly stack for an enemy stack, but Posbrake is going to be standing right beside Digdoug. On top of that, Posbrake has the natural Thinkamancy of Obedience which allows him to control Digdoug, which should make it impossible for Digdoug to accidentally kill Posbrake. I have no doubt that Obedience can be overcome, but not without noticing.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    I think this story is showing not only the power of Carnymancy, but that also Charlie is King of the Carnymancers.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    The side falling and Dig Doug escaping seems likely. That happens pretty commonly I'd imagine. Most sides fall and caster sometimes escape. Sometimes they are ordered off in fact like with Unaroyals casters. The last line reeks of Charlie pulling a super fast one on Homekey. I hope it ain't so but...it would make a good story.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    I doubt Charlie is going to do anything treacherous *this* turn, pull off the fake attack, pull back, get paid, everyone's happy. That is, until Numloch hires them to really attack the city, and the tower would have at least some of its reserves drained, making them even less able to repel the attack. I get the feeling Dig Doug will flee into the Magic Kingdom with Dove, maybe even appear later on.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    Wow, this just stinks of a nasty screw job. Someone is going to bit off more then they can chew, and it will not be Charlie. Charlie knows what is going on both sides, so which side "helps" him more? This is going to be a mess no matter what happens.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    So, on one hand, Charlie could get 300,000 shmuckers pretty easily if he sides with Numlocke. On the other hand, there's the trying to fight fate thing that Delkey has. If he knows about that part with the predictamancer, would it be worth more or less to him to try and go against what looks like Fate?

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    I do have to cop to being wrong about something. I was throwing a lot of lip about there being a difference between a limitation and a rule, and that Carnies could only break rules that were actually written. But making a target immune to ranged attacks doesn't really sound like breaking a specific rule to me. So I guess I was way off base. Sorry about the attitude.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    Lipkin wrote:
    But making a target immune to ranged attacks doesn't really sound like breaking a specific rule to me. So I guess I was way off base. Sorry about the attitude.


    No apologies necessary. Rules of combat. Broken.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    Lipkin wrote:
    But making a target immune to ranged attacks doesn't really sound like breaking a specific rule to me.
    I agree, it's strange that it's being called breaking a rule, but on the other hand it does sound a lot like what we've seen with Sylvia during the battle of Spacerock. We should have known that Carnymancy would be able to do something like that.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    My money is on a flying unit taking out Posbrake with a non-ranged attack.

    We still don't know what Numloch's exact force deployment will be. For all we know, they could have hired other mercenary forces as well (we don't know when this is, so perhaps even Faq) or popped their own flying units.

    Should be surprising however it goes down, though.

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     Post subject: Re: Digdoug - Episode 12
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    Wait, why does he want to stand on the tower during battle? I mean, having them take a few shot at him as he flees into the tower might help it look more real, but why would he want to face them?

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