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 Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
 Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:31 pm 
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BLANDCorporatio wrote:
Why would the timing be right, now?


Look, it is a well established fact that any given erfworlder's loyalty score can be determined by the following mathematical formula:

level*title-plot

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:37 pm 
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    BLANDCorporatio wrote:
    Well, IF Wanda couldn't start a side on her own (and decrypted Ansom couldn't have helped, probably he had lost heir status) at the end of Book 1, that would certainly make sense. (If she could have started her own side she could have gone looking for Jillian at her leisure anyway).

    So that's a satisfying answer.


    No. It is not a satisfying answer. I think people are right that Wanda shows no inclination to start her own side. However I think she will offer Jillian the following deal. "Faq breaks alliance with the RCC and helps her sack Spacerock, then they fly back to Gobwin Knob where she will be escorted to meet Stanley as a conquering hero. At that point she is free to croak Stanley and absorb Gobwin Knob, Unaroyal and Jetstone into a new Faqing Empire and Wanda will make sure it works and seize the hammer. Both then get what they ultimately want and will go onto side by side to conquer the whole of erfworld." We also know that Wanda is not subject to natural thinkamancy loyalty spells. Jillian will not buy this but will take two full colour updates to come to a decision and Charlie will probably play a decisive role in her decision.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:43 pm 
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    Sinrus wrote:
    BLANDCorporatio wrote:
    Why would the timing be right, now?


    Look, it is a well established fact that any given erfworlder's loyalty score can be determined by the following mathematical formula:

    level*title-plot


    http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F098b.jpg

    says turned units have notoriously low loyality. Means.... she´s got her free will

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:46 pm 
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    Apparently you don't have a sense of humor. I'm saying that Wanda can turn at whatever time Rob wants her to turn, and since loyalty is hidden, nobody can say that she shouldn't have been able to.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:47 pm 
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    asparagus wrote:
    No. It is not a satisfying answer.


    Dangit person, I was trying to agree with you! :P

    So what you are actually saying is that Wanda was holding out for conquering Jetstone as well as winning over Jillian again, right? Cause what I said was, that IF Wanda could go her own way right after Book 1 and only wanted Jillian, she could have had that at her leisure.

    asparagus wrote:
    Jillian will not buy this but will take two full colour updates to come to a decision and Charlie will probably play a decisive role in her decision.


    That sounds a bit optimistic. Remember we can always switch to Trem's view, and GK's view, and the MK too ... could be a while :)

    Sinrus wrote:
    Look, it is a well established fact that any given erfworlder's loyalty score can be determined by the following mathematical formula:

    level*title-plot


    :lol: But where are the shell integrals on the alignment mesh?

    Sinrus wrote:
    Apparently you {{Cobalt}} don't have a sense of humor. I'm saying that Wanda can turn at whatever time Rob wants her to turn, and since loyalty is hidden, nobody can say that she shouldn't have been able to.


    Could be the English-as-a-second-language thing. It's hard enough for us natives *cough*, to tell when the sarcasm is on.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:53 pm 
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    Cobalt wrote:
    Sinrus wrote:
    BLANDCorporatio wrote:
    Why would the timing be right, now?


    Look, it is a well established fact that any given erfworlder's loyalty score can be determined by the following mathematical formula:

    level*title-plot


    http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F098b.jpg

    says turned units have notoriously low loyality. Means.... she´s got her free will


    Ehhh... I don't think so. Sure, she has low loyalty and has got to be the poster child for the "risk of turning" awareness campaign put on by RARD (Rulers Against Reckless Disbanding). However, as long as she's part of a side she's still compelled to follow her ruler's orders. If Stanley says slap yourself, she will. Now, in the absence of explicit orders she (and presumably other commanders) have leeway in behavior, but I would not call it "freewill."

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:56 pm 
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    Sinrus wrote:
    Look, it is a well established fact that any given erfworlder's loyalty score can be determined by the following mathematical formula:

    level*title-plot


    :lol: But where are the shell integrals on the alignment mesh?[/quote]

    Don't be ridiculous. There is no "Good" or "Evil". I admit that I did forget to add thinkamancy and subtract captured-ness.

    Sinrus wrote:
    Apparently you {{Cobalt}} don't have a sense of humor. I'm saying that Wanda can turn at whatever time Rob wants her to turn, and since loyalty is hidden, nobody can say that she shouldn't have been able to.


    Could be the English-as-a-second-language thing. It's hard enough for us natives *cough*, to tell when the sarcasm is on.[/quote]

    Ah. Yes. Sorry.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:06 pm 
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    I really like Tremannis too. I see him becoming very close to Jillian and making her a much better character.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:13 pm 
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    Well, remember this is “Love is a battlefield”. The entire thing between Wanda and Jillian was BDSM from the start of the story and now Wanda has control of Jillian’s boyfriend who call’s her Mistress (which she doesn’t want Oss to do). Back to the dungeon for some fun?
    As a corroboration google “Oh Wicked Wanda”!

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:29 pm 
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    :ugeek: yeah the story could go there but we might not want to go there here ok?

    :D I don't see the game going there yet, but it would be fun if it did.

    Tremannis is getting pushed towards center stage.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:38 pm 
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    Just as a note, Blowpop trap seems to last a turn.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:55 am 
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    BLANDCorporatio wrote:
    As in, is Predictamancy more like retro-fitting mancy or can it actually provide some specific details? "You will attune to an arkentool", btw, is specific enough for my standards. (The prediction does describe an event in enough detail to know what counts for the prophecy to be fulfilled and what doesn't; the predicted event is unlikely to happen at all, so even when no timescale is provided it's not the case that you could just wait until it gets true).


    Hmmm. I imagine it would be reasonably accurate, unless there are different expressions/levels of clarity of it. Faq used a predictamancer, after all, as the cornerstone of their defensive policy. She would have had to give the turn and place of units who might discover Faq in order for Jack to be in position to hide the side.

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    Which leaves only the Magical Kingdom as a thorn.


    I think the MK is a totally unique and not replicable thorn at that, either by design or accident. Multiple portals, no apparent structures (or popping ability?) like any city, no leaders, populated by barbarian caster...

    Adama wrote:
    Two is Gobwin Knob. Saline IV was killed, and the city was captured. Stanley went barbarian for a turn before he recaptured the city.


    Did Stanley actually go barbarian and was the capital classified as captured? The rebellion was carried out by natural allies, who I thought couldn't claim a city (I might be misremembering though)...

    Angband wrote:
    You also forgot about Unaroyal. They didn't lose their capital, they lost their ruler. Once Queen Bea was disbanded, they had no heir, so all field units disbanded and all cities went neutral.


    And Bea deliberately put everyone in the field (except the casters) to ensure there would be no units left frozen in the city when the side ended.

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    I really like Tremannis too. I see him becoming very close to Jillian and making her a much better character.


    Hopefully not as another lover though. I mean Jillian is already one corner of a love square.

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    says turned units have notoriously low loyality. Means.... she´s got her free will


    Except Duncan Scone, who is a poster boy, it seems, for positive and safe turning. But that might be because a caster was involved in the process, and then being made Chief Warlord under a competent ruler.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
     Post Posted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 5:11 am 
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    "Jillian is already one corner of a love square"

    Only love square?

    Jillian+Ansom
    Jillian+Wanda
    Jillian+Vinny
    Wanda+Ansom
    Ansom perhaps best friend of Vinny

    She is a soap opera

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
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    multilis wrote:
    "Jillian is already one corner of a love square"

    Only love square?

    Jillian+Ansom
    Jillian+Wanda
    Jillian+Vinny
    Wanda+Ansom
    Ansom perhaps best friend of Vinny

    She is a soap opera


    Is there also a Vinny+bunny? but I might be confusing him with Caesar in a text up date.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
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    Shoki wrote:
    Is there also a Vinny+bunny? but I might be confusing him with Caesar in a text up date.


    I think you're confusing him with Caesar... there's definitely a Caesar+Bunny, but I don't think we've ever had any hints of Vinny+Bunny.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
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    ftl wrote:
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    Is there also a Vinny+bunny? but I might be confusing him with Caesar in a text up date.


    I think you're confusing him with Caesar... there's definitely a Caesar+Bunny, but I don't think we've ever had any hints of Vinny+Bunny.

    psst - hey, Rob. I think you've got a fanservice request for a 3-some between Caesar, Vinnie & Bunny. You get Xin started on the art, and I'll negotiate the PPV contracts . . .

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    "but I don't think we've ever had any hints of Vinny+Bunny."

    We did get a bit of hint of Vinny + archons in book 1... ;)

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
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    BLANDCorporatio wrote:
    So what you are actually saying is that Wanda was holding out for conquering Jetstone as well as winning over Jillian again, right? Cause what I said was, that IF Wanda could go her own way right after Book 1 and only wanted Jillian, she could have had that at her leisure.



    Jillian was not a queen with her own side. Wanda did not have the pliers when she was parlaying with Jillian. Many of Stanley's dragons will be croaked and then decrypted at Jetstone. Wanda's decrypted unaroyal army is still in the field. This would be a much better time for Wanda to dump Stanley.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 - Page 15
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    multilis wrote:
    Ansom perhaps best friend of Vinny

    She is a soap opera


    They could be much more than just friends.

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    So that would make a total of three (possibly four) bi main characters... is Rob hinting at us? :?

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