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Guppy wrote:
Didn't FAQ end up fighting against their own uncroaked ruler at their end? I'll bet two carnyval ride tickets that Jillian ends up being the one who (re-)croaks the zombie-Banhammer.


Jillian was far away at the time FAQ fell. She wasn't at the battle and doesn't even know Wanda betrayed them, she thinks it was only Stanley's doing.

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    Jabberwocky wrote:
    It's interesting that Haffaton employs Charlie's Archons, even though Olive tried to kill him by betraying him to Judy. Charlie is all about business, but it seems like he'd have a hard time letting something like that slide, even the slide was greased with schmuckers.


    Huh. I could've sworn that Haffaton hasn't hired Charlie... are you thinking of any page in particular? I can't remember a situation like that.

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    ftl wrote:
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    Huh. I could've sworn that Haffaton hasn't hired Charlie... are you thinking of any page in particular? I can't remember a situation like that.


    Ah, I was misremembering. I looked it up and Jillian just ran into some in Haffaton's territory.

    "Charlescomm was unable to negotiate any sort of agreement with Haffaton this evening. So your status as a fugitive will receive no new challenges from that quarter" was what I was thinking about.

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    Though "So I’m spending more Shmuckers we don’t have to hire Charlie to look" seems to indicate a willingness to deal.

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    On another topic...

    In the page image, who is the Japanese-looking character with the long dark hair? Is it Betsy the Healomancer?
    From left to right we have Jillian, Orwell, Marie, Jack, ???, Rusty, Olive, ???, Adderall. Presumably the second unknown is Moothfott the Moneymancer?

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     Post Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 5:18 am 
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    Jinren wrote:
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    We've been told that Royal sides occasionally spin off new sides, suggesting that non-Royal sides don't. But Doothis was an overlord - so either non-Royal sides can spin off after all, or the sides spun off from Royal sides aren't necessarily Royal themselves.


    Hang on, is there any evidence that the mechanics of the side are different between kingdoms and other domains? GK was ruled by a king, until such time as an heir was made of a non-royal unit, but it's the same side (also observe that Stanley was a non-Royal warlord in GK's service, proving that kingdoms can indeed have commoners as warlords if they so choose, and therefore meaning that Doothis could have come from either). It seems possible that the differences seen so far could be explained by the idea that the ability to queue aristocrat units for popping is one that can only be ordered by another royal unit, in the same way that they have other personal advantages.


    No, there isn't any evidence for the mechanics of the side being different between kingdoms and other domains. Hasn't stopped the speculation though. That spinning off sides is only for Royals is based on the only one explaining the rules was Ossomer and he only talked about his own, Royal, side.

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    Erf units seem immortal if they don't fall victim to an unnatural death (if Charlie's over 11,000 turns old...)


    Which is like 33 years, so not that ancient. But yes, we have yet to hear about aging and considering they heal fully at dawn, illnesses should not kill them.

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    More than one person can become attuned to an Arkentool. It sometimes takes several turns before you become attuned to one. Stupidworlders can be attuned to Arkentools which means that there is hope for Parson yet.
    No, every attuned person has been named after a real world company that makes tools, including Bell and Blair, our two newest arrivals.


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    And that was only the first hit on Google for Parson+tools. Honestly I think most names can be connected to some tool company in this great big world.

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     Post Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 6:31 am 
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    Something that hasnt been discussed was that Olive was obsessed about showing the superiority of Life as an axis of magic. At some point, Maxwell learned how to give life to inanimate objects trough caster links, to show that Life was nothing special compared to Motion and Matter. My guess is that this prompted Olive to show the superiority of her discipline by killing all the other casters and conquering the world with the Olive Garden. She has completely lost sight of what her discipline is about, focusing on ruling an empty shell devoid of any actual life instead of trying to preserve lives.

    Banhammer is just being a cowardly fool who cant admit that he fell in love with the Hitler of Erfworld. She has killed every single caster and warlod that has served with her and agaisnt her and she will do the same to Faqs court if shes not killed. I really hope she doesnt get away somehow.

    edit : something I dont understand is why is Haffaton so poor. They barely have any units and they have a bunch of cities, including 15 capital sites. Where is all the money going to?

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    babypolis wrote:
    edit : something I dont understand is why is Haffaton so poor. They barely have any units and they have a bunch of cities, including 15 capital sites. Where is all the money going to?


    There seems to be a diminishing-returns effect when a side gets too big -- at a certain point, it can barely sustain itself.

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     Post Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 7:01 am 
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    This update must've breaked the record on juicy information.

    On one hand Charlie confirmed as a mancer.

    On the other, confirmed that Olive is a lying manipulative bastard that indeed killed almost every warlord she ever talked to.

    babypolis wrote:
    edit : something I dont understand is why is Haffaton so poor. They barely have any units and they have a bunch of cities, including 15 capital sites. Where is all the money going to?

    -High level mancers alone have pretty high upkeeps.
    -They do have units, they're just spread really thin over dozens of cities. Remember they could easily match Goodminton's numbers. They could also organize a massive search for Jillian.
    -And above all, we know that the more cities you have, the less money you're making out of each of them. A strong diminishing returns effect, that makes it hard for a side to grow too big, while on the other hand making it easier to for single-city sides to survive.

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    Interesting how much emphasis Banhammer placed on The Emerald City as the place where Olive was popped. Kind of sounds like it's possible for a unit to have a parent who isn't the ruler, or else he wouldn't even have needed to ask the question beyond re-emphasising that she popped as part of Charlie's side. Maybe a warlord/caster unit popped in the capital is a child of the ruler, while one popped in another city might be the child of whatever unit is managing that city?

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    ShieldOfAthena wrote:
    No, every attuned person has been named after a real world company that makes tools, including Bell and Blair, our two newest arrivals.


    Yeah, in addition to being named after Blair Witch (Project) and the Bell Witch, they're named after the women's shoe brand Blair and the old telecom company Bell. Wow, I missed that. (Anyone want to bet the ruler of Easteros was adressed as "Ma Bell"?)

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    mortissimus wrote:
    That spinning off sides is only for Royals is based on the only one explaining the rules was Ossomer and he only talked about his own, Royal, side.


    No, it's based on a Parson's Klog page 9, TBFGK 79a:

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    But Royalty is different. Royal and Noble units have slightly stronger stats, and level faster. Cities rules by Royals pop Nobles
    (and more Royals). Royal empires split off sometimes into new sides. Royals claim to trace their lineage back to the Titans.


    Since it comes in the middle of a listing of things which are different with Royal sides, it was natural to infer that non-Royal empires don't split off sometimes into new sides.

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    Notice however that a royal side can still have non-royal warlords, and nothing says those non-royal warlords from a royal faction are exempt from spliting off into their own new sides.

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    Yup, that's what I said in my first post.

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     Post Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:10 am 
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    This update also casts IPTSF 46 in a new light. That's the update in which fugitive Jillian and Crapsack encounter the Archons.

    We all assumed at the time that Haffaton simply couldn't afford Charlie's fee. But we didn't know Charlie had a paternal relationship with Olive. Here's what actually happened in the update:

    Jillian happens upon the trio of Archons
    One -- Chynna -- is on a call
    The Archons offer Jillian a "right of first refusal" (I.e., pay us to not contact Haffaton)
    Jillian refuses (having no purse)
    Chynna continues her call
    The Archons confer (and Jillian gets ready to attack them)
    The Archons announce that "Charlescomm was unable to negotiate any sort of agreement with Haffaton this evening".
    Jillian speculates that Haffaton couldn't afford Charlescomm's rates
    Chynna closes their interaction with this: "Actually, most times, when a client refuses such an offer, it is because the target is of little worth. We’ll be moving on now. It’s still our turn, and your presence compromises the security of our mission. Good bye.”"

    Knowing what we do know, I see what happens from Charlie's persepctive as follows:

    Charlie is always monitoring Haffaton with some Archons veiled near Haffaton's airspace. Chynna and her sisters are on a "mission" in Haffaton airspace, after all. No doubt, Charlie wants to keep an eye on Olive ot make sure she doesn't come after him again.

    Three archons happen upon Jillian.
    Chynna realizes this is a business opportunity. (I doubt she or any of the field Archons know about Charlie's personal interest in Olive and Haffaton.)
    Chynna contacts Charlescomm, reports on finding the fugitive and asks to sell this information to Haffaton.
    Charlie doesn't deal with Haffaton but doesn't want his units to know that. So he defers, telling Chynna to offer Jillian the right of first refusal. If Jillian has found any Schmuckers during her flight, she would offer them, Charlie gets free money, and a plausible reason fro not ratting out Jillian.
    Jillian refuses (by necessity).
    Chynna asks Charlie again to sell this intel to Haffaton. After all, the information is valuable now, but by next turn, Jillian and Crapsack could be anywhere.
    Charlie keeps up the ruse by pretending to contact Haffaton. In fact, he does no such thing. He just keeps Chynna on hold for a while and then tells her that they couldn't conclude an agreement with Haffaton. Chynna relays that information, tosses in the snide specuulation that Jillian isn't a valuable suspect (which we know to be untrue -- though Chynna does not --as Jillian is Fated to kill Olive).

    So I don't think Haffaton and Charlescomm have ever done business. But I don't think Charlie makes that information public, even to his own Archons. It would reveal too much about him personally and affect his carefully constructed public persona of someone who has no personal interests.

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     Post Posted: Fri Apr 19, 2013 9:24 am 
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    Jamus wrote:
    This just makes me more and more and more sure that Janis IS Olive.


    What odds do you lay on that?

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    Guppy wrote:
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    Olive tried to kill her own father. I bet Lord Banhammer doesn't like the sound of that.

    Didn't FAQ end up fighting against their own uncroaked ruler at their end? I'll bet two carnyval ride tickets that Jillian ends up being the one who (re-)croaks the zombie-Banhammer.

    Put some quatloo on it and I'll take that wager.

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    And now we have some motivation for Charlie.

    He surrounds himself with his over-devoted Archons because his own daughter tried to kill him. Can you think of any better reason to retreat from the world and hide behind a wall of brainwashed slaves?

    He does not expand Charlescomm, because he has already Ruled an expansionary empire. What specific conclusion he drew we will learn soon.

    So here's an additional question about Charlie. Wanda noted how empty and lifeless Haffaton is. Sides have revenue issues that limit population. As it expands, its population density decreases. Is Charlie picking his battles such that he maximizes the number of Sides, and therefore the number of living individuals? Personally, i think, "No," without further info. Wanda's Decryption has the potential to create a high population density Side with no War to threaten it. She can achieve what other Sides can never do. So Charlie's motivations have to be more complex, if they do include maximizing the number of people in the world.

    Now on my previous notes about Charlie, now we know he has limitations. He is not a Thinkamancer, as some speculated, which means unlike Wanda and the Pliers, his natural Casting was not enhanced, but instead he was given Thinkamancy from the Tool. Unless it isn't Thinkamancy at all, but only appears as Thinkamancy.

    Gotta stop here. Out of time.

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    bladestorm wrote:
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    Olive tried to kill her own father. I bet Lord Banhammer doesn't like the sound of that.

    Didn't FAQ end up fighting against their own uncroaked ruler at their end? I'll bet two carnyval ride tickets that Jillian ends up being the one who (re-)croaks the zombie-Banhammer.

    Put some quatloo on it and I'll take that wager.


    Now that's unfair - we already know that Jillian said she was far away when the sacking of FAQ occurred, and that she doesn't seem to have any idea of the extent to which Wanda was involved.

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    vintermann wrote:
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    No, every attuned person has been named after a real world company that makes tools, including Bell and Blair, our two newest arrivals.


    Yeah, in addition to being named after Blair Witch (Project) and the Bell Witch, they're named after the women's shoe brand Blair and the old telecom company Bell. Wow, I missed that. (Anyone want to bet the ruler of Easteros was adressed as "Ma Bell"?)


    Yes, although it's unusual that Bell had the shoes and Blair had the dish. Maybe the sisters were so similar the Arkentools didn't discriminate.

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    cheeseaholic wrote:
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    we know parsons a hippiemancer but we can now draw some stronger ties between him and dame branch and the kind of trouble he might cause in the future for the world (like false parlays like we've already seen him use for instance).


    No we don't.


    http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F140.jpg

    8th panel

    http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F130.jpg
    http://www.erfworld.com/book-1-archive/?px=%2F131.jpg

    And the initial false parlay tactic he used.

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