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 Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
 Post Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:02 am 
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Yay, dolls have a distinct anime look to them. Nice, Xin.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
     Post Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:04 am 
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    The Xenologist wrote:
    EDIT: does anyone recognize the robot character from the lower leftmost panel? i dont think we have seen her before...?

    They were covered in one of the text updates over the summer when Jillian meets with Don.
    They're defensive cloth golems. Dolls or Moils or something like that.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
     Post Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:06 am 
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    They need to escort the king out thru the atrium.
    Wanda still gives her bonus to all decrypted in the area just not the same bonus as she gives to those in the same stack or hex.
    So the Siege Units get a bonus from Wanda, but they are unimportant to the plan as they couldn't help take the portal room.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    I'm a little unclear on the layout now. My understanding is this: The Atrium is a large open area roughly the size of a football field and enclosed on all sides by a large building. There is a front door and a back door within the Atrium, but of which lead into the building. The front door leads to stairs which connect to the Atrium. The back door leads to stairs which connect to the dungeon. (This does not preclude the possibility that there are other ways to the tower and or dungeon, I suppose; these are just the only ones mentioned.) Slately will not need to cross through the Atrium. He will descend the tower stairs and exit through the front of the garrison into the city.The dwagons and other siege will stay in the Atrium to try and break through the front door to target the tower. The rest will leave through the back door to the dungeon.

    HAve I got all that right?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    kagato23 wrote:
    Except for the one, though I think it might have happened anyway: Trem's going in.



    I think the opposite. Everything we saw on the previous page already happened. Tram peeked in, saw Wanda decrypt a huge force, and then bared the gates. That's why they're going the back way after all. So I think the dwagons and any troops left behind are fairly safe.

    There could be an impromptu counter-attack against the siege. Say the tower is being attacked and Tram orders an attack or a distraction to try to get the dwagons from attacking the tower while the king escapes, but baring something like that I think Tram has already made up his mind, and it's to not engage the enemy.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    atalex wrote:
    I'm a little unclear on the layout now. My understanding is this: The Atrium is a large open area roughly the size of a football field and enclosed on all sides by a large building



    The Atrium is a single building, with a roof. It's the thing they just destroyed the roof of and went into when they fell. It would be an inner courtyard on any other city (and open to the sky), but Jetstone is special in that they roofed over that space for extra protection, and as a result they have no tunnel zone at all.

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    Slately will not need to cross through the Atrium. He will descend the tower stairs and exit through the front of the garrison into the city.The dwagons and other siege will stay in the Atrium to try and break through the front door to target the tower. The rest will leave through the back door to the dungeon.


    These bits I think are 100% correct.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
     Post Posted: Wed Feb 23, 2011 11:45 am 
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    gameboy1234 wrote:
    kagato23 wrote:
    Except for the one, though I think it might have happened anyway: Trem's going in.



    I think the opposite. Everything we saw on the previous page already happened. Tram peeked in, saw Wanda decrypt a huge force, and then bared the gates. That's why they're going the back way after all. So I think the dwagons and any troops left behind are fairly safe.

    There could be an impromptu counter-attack against the siege. Say the tower is being attacked and Tram orders an attack or a distraction to try to get the dwagons from attacking the tower while the king escapes, but baring something like that I think Tram has already made up his mind, and it's to not engage the enemy.


    I don't think so: remember, Trem said he was going to make sure the way was clear (which I'm guessing included barring the door) and that once his dad was out, then he would decide. By the time he peeks back in, the forces are either going to be divided, or already attacking the tower.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    Great update, though I am a little wary of Scarlet being left behind with the dragons and non-tunnel capable units. Presumably she could also join the Portal Party but her leadership will be helpful if Tremm decides to come calling. Overall I don't have a problem with Wanda sending some units to bring down the tower, if they can't get the dwagons into the tunnel might as well have the dwagons cause some distractions topside.

    One nit pick with the art though: Panel 5's exterior shot of the Atrium should show holes in the roof. That does not appear to be the case.

    Can't wait for the next update, especially if it is a discussion between Slately and Don. Possibly have it cut off with the tower crumbling around Slately and forcing him to use the jetpack to escape. Might cause Ossomer to have a major identity crisis and break Wanda's hold over him. But Rob has shown that what happens is never what we expect.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    I<3ChocolateMilk wrote:
    Is it Charlie's turn next?


    Charlescomm went earlier this turn--we saw that in a text update from an archon's POV dealing with Haggar. Short of a sudden alliance, he's not a *direct* factor this turn any longer. [Without an alliance....CC goes before GK in the natural order. May be meaningful, may not.]

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    Hmm... from the art it looks like the tower goes into the atrium. So unless the Jetstone forces go to stop them the tower will fall.

    I also think using the dwagons to target the tower is a good idea. Jetstone is forced to defend, which will in turn limit their ability to respond to the attempt to take the dungeon. Indeed Wanda is sending all tunnel capable units to the dungeon, she could not leave her forces less divided.

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    Charlescomm went earlier this turn--we saw that in a text update from an archon's POV dealing with Haggar. Short of a sudden alliance, he's not a *direct* factor this turn any longer. [Without an alliance....CC goes before GK in the natural order. May be meaningful, may not.]
    I always assumed CC plan was Wanda is trapped, and at Jetstone's mercy. Then a perfect-plan+two casters+decryption and Wanda survives with a few dwagons. Next day archons swarm and Charlie win a free Wanda. At the very least they are low on arrows and the archons can destroy Jetstone unopposed, and take the pliers.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    I'm not worried about Red. When she goes, she will go gloriously.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    No, Charlescomm is allied with Faq, which took its turn with along with Jetstone. It's Charlie's turn right now. For all we know he could torpedo Sizemore's Duty with a Thinkamancy attack and leave Parson buried alive in the middle of Portal Park. Things are not all roses for GK just yet.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    Dr Quest DFA wrote:

    One nit pick with the art though: Panel 5's exterior shot of the Atrium should show holes in the roof. That does not appear to be the case.


    What you're seeing IS a giant hole. Notice the brown tinged edge? You're seeing inside the Atrium through the big hole.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    Sixty wrote:
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    One nit pick with the art though: Panel 5's exterior shot of the Atrium should show holes in the roof. That does not appear to be the case.


    What you're seeing IS a giant hole. Notice the brown tinged edge? You're seeing inside the Atrium through the big hole.


    If that was the case then I should be able to see the tower though what you think is the giant hole in the roof, but instead it is just a plane of gray (which would make sense if the roof was fogged as a previous update stated. Though why the other side is transparent is questionable.)

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    I have two guesses about Slately's conversation with Don King.

    The first, and highest probability of being correct, is that he will fill Transylvito in about the existence of Parson. At present, only Charlie and Jetstone (and a few mages) know about Parson.

    Lower order of probability, if Slately determines that they're doomed, he might let Don know that he is choosing the "suicide by portal" route to deny decrypted to Gobwin Knob. This would require Slately to determine that he's going to lose, and I don't quite think he's made that assumption yet (at least, he hadn't when he gave his Tarkin speech). But this would have the advantage of placing him and possibly Tram in the Portal Room, where Wanda and Parson are going to be. Thus, more interesting drama. Tram might even be willing to surrender to Parson, if only to learn more and get answers (and that's probably been discussed before, but I'm somewhat new on the boards, so forgive me if I'm flogging a decrypted horse).

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    atalex wrote:
    I'm a little unclear on the layout now.


    All right, this is what I've got. There's this thing called the Garrison in the middle of Spacerock. It has three areas to it: the Courtyard/Atrium, the Tower, and the Dungeons. The Atrium is surrounded by the inner walls and until recently had a roof. The Tower is built into one of the four walls and rises above it, and the Dungeons are under the Tower. There is a main gate from the Atrium out to the city. There is a door from the Atrium to inside the walls, which is the "back way" that Antium mentions. Dungeons (including Portal Room) are accessible from this area inside the walls and the Tower. There is a door from the Tower directly into the Atrium, which is what just got barred. There is a door from the Tower to outside the inner walls in the main city, which is how Slately is going to go.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 2 – Page 54
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    So, given what we know so far, as far as what Wanda/Jack and Tramennis are each trying to accomplish, what benefit exactly would Parson showing up on the scene have?

    I'm sure this has been discussed somewhere, but there are a LOT of potential implications of bringing Maggie and Sizemore into Spacerock. Not to mention the pending (and in terms of how cool it would be, totally necessary) face-to-face conversation between Parson and Tramennis. I'm excited. :D

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    Dr Quest DFA wrote:
    If that was the case then I should be able to see the tower though what you think is the giant hole in the roof, but instead it is just a plane of gray



    What panel do you see "just a plane of gray?" What do you see on panel #5 of this update?

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    The Xenologist wrote:
    does anyone recognize the robot character from the lower leftmost panel? i dont think we have seen her before...?


    She's not a robot, she's a doll. I think she's supposed to be a takeoff of the character of Sally from The Nightmare Before Christmas.

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