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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 299
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    Ok, did not expect Jed as viewpoint. Basically, Charlie got outcheated. But I bet there will be a price to pay...

    Also, the artwork is amazing. The sad longing look of Maggie as the string leaves her heart... Heartstrings taken literally. Thats Erfworlds detail level for you.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 299
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    Bandaid wrote:
    Ok, did not expect Jed as viewpoint. Basically, Charlie got outcheated. But I bet there will be a price to pay...

    Definitely thinking about page one of book 0...

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 299
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    The plot thickens...

    So, did Jed actually CREATE new towers, by the very act of stealing unpaid juice? or is he just referring to Towers created around the same time, by the remnants of the Linked Great Minds?

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    You know. I really thought the juice theft was gonna be the hack to win the game. But from what Jed has said I am now seeing it more as a very dangerous gambit that isn't going to have been worth it.

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    Krennson wrote:
    The plot thickens...

    So, did Jed actually CREATE new towers, by the very act of stealing unpaid juice? or is he just referring to Towers created around the same time, by the remnants of the Linked Great Minds?


    No, it looks to me more like the towers themselves have to "steal" the juice to create themselves - to form themselves and become "alive." It's that desire to BE that the link acted on, some amount of juice unto themselves needed to be used to create themselves.

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    So cool how the love and respect from his team had power and was able to keep him in Erfworld.

    Also interesting about the True Source and sounds like all the capitals are going to get giant heads?

    Rob, what a tangled web you weave. Never stop!

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    This was wonderful :)

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    Interesting that Jed refers to Wanda as Chief Croakamancer here. Did Stanley demote Sizemore from Chief and reinstate Wanda when she was freed?

    It's also cute that Sizemore wants to be Parson's friend but is afraid. There's hope for that little guy yet.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 299
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    I think the mention of the other Tutelaries just means that the State 8 is making other towers sentient, that he didn't stop with Shirley.

    It is very heart-warming, yes. Love aka Date-a-mancy pulling Parson back.

    I wonder if there will indeed be any price for Jed to pay. Just because you feel guilty doesn't mean there will be any Greater Power to punish you. That might just be your own delusion.

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    So, taking juice from the portal is considered forbidden by Erf itself. That is heavy with implications. If Jed is worried about being in trouble for what he just took, what might happen to Charlie, who has been stealing cable for thousands of turns?

    I still think the Arken Hammer is going to end up being a source of infinite juice, in which case they can pay pack what Jed just stole.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 299
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    So this answers some questions and leaves open some others.

    The dismissal spell would have worked as advertised if not for Jed.
    Jed intervened directly.
    Juice can be sent to all types of units or at least talking ones even if they are not a caster or have natural magic disciplines.
    Awakened Towers/Cities have some kind of connection and awareness for each other trough the source, whatever that is.

    Questions are:
    Was the summoning spell cord reinstated? If not, is (more) constant upkeep (in form of more juice from Jed perhaps) required to keep Parson in Erfworld now? What happened to the dictums included in the summoning spell?

    Did Shirley notice the exact purpose of Jed drawing juice?

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    tl;dr

    Friendship is magical!

    Also, interesting that Jed refers to it as "mana" instead of "juice". Hints a lot of his (its?) understanding of the mechanics of Erfworld.

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    Old threads broken. New threads woven, of love, duty, trust and glory. Parson has many threads binding him now, based in love, fuelled by stolen power from under the bedrock of Erfworld, all coordinated by Jeb. Nice work. I saw the potential vaguely for this plot outcome, but did not think it to be the cause.

    Thought - if the penalises incumbent by Charlie winning the 'Big Game' (with Parson Gotti being released from his ties to Erfworld and having ties remaining to Stupidworld) were worth so much, is this a relative measure of the cost Jeb will have to bear from stealing such power? My thought is that, no, power is available for free from tapping the portals in the portal room, why not the same for the animus of each side's capital city?

    But, the first capital city to be greedy with this infinite power hack .. that's another endgame maker.

    Further Thought - the ties to stupid world remain deep in the soul of Parson tying him to his shitty home in our reality. How disappointing.

    Still Further Thought - the Manikin of Maggie is now a character in it's own right. Am I right?

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    *Sigh*

    And now we have more ammo for the BonSon shippers.

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    Thanks, Jed. That...actually explains a lot :p And it's quite a bit more involved than either of the prevailing theories ("home is where the heart is" vs Parson went to Stupidworld and had wacky adventures and got the Arkenshoes and came back). Hope Jed doesn't get into too much trouble for the mana thefts...but you know he will ;p

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    IMO, the Thinkamancy paradigm just got another bump. Jed is not a caster, but is perceiving grandiocosmic strings. That argues strongly in favor of their "objective" reality, vs. a subjective Thinkamancer perception.

    And the dateamancy string detail revealed here is huge. I do believe this may be the first time we've gotten Canon confirmation that dateamancy (to say nothing of aloha!) works via strings.

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    Continually amazed at how many different “voices” Rob has mastered. Loved this update!

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    SkyThorning wrote:
    Old threads broken. New threads woven, of love, duty, trust and glory. Parson has many threads binding him now, based in love, fuelled by stolen power from under the bedrock of Erfworld, all coordinated by Jeb. Nice work. I saw the potential vaguely for this plot outcome, but did not think it to be the cause.

    Thought - if the penalises incumbent by Charlie winning the 'Big Game' (with Parson Gotti being released from his ties to Erfworld and having ties remaining to Stupidworld) were worth so much, is this a relative measure of the cost Jeb will have to bear from stealing such power? My thought is that, no, power is available for free from tapping the portals in the portal room, why not the same for the animus of each side's capital city?

    But, the first capital city to be greedy with this infinite power hack .. that's another endgame maker.

    Further Thought - the ties to stupid world remain deep in the soul of Parson tying him to his shitty home in our reality. How disappointing.

    Still Further Thought - the Manikin of Maggie is now a character in it's own right. Am I right?

    Because power from the portals isn't free. It is also stolen. Power stolen from the portals is what is allowing the creation of all the new heads. Big Think is tapping the portals to repeatedly refill on juice and make new heads.

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