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 Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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Well that explains the odd number of Archons. Two triads plus Tondy, makes sense now.

Don't think the bit about Parson will work though. Even if he's claimed by CC, he's in TV, he and the other casters there could simply turn to TV and not trigger any kind of penalty.

Averting Charlie's plan here may be what Marie is ultimately trying to accomplish in ICFYS. After all, Wanda almost has to know what Jillian gave up to get her off the buds in the first place...

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    The part about what Charlie thought Wanda wanted to do to his crest made me laugh out loud. The rest made me cringe.
    Well, the forums have been saying that Parson is too strong with Decrypted... XD

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    GaryThunder wrote:
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    Why do I get the feeling that tempting her with the flowers was a fatal mistake?


    Yup, nope. He doesn't really get why she places that flower on her livery. He thinks he played his trump card, but he just sealed his fate. Or his Fate as the case may be.

    Exactly. This is where Charlie's self-congratulatory smugness falls apart. For all of his power, for all of his wealth and for all of his skill at 11-dimensional chess, Charlie is just too disconnected from his own humanity to understand emotional needs and drives.

    There are thousands of ways he could have enticed Wanda, but waving around the one thing that actually holds power over her is only going to earn him a one-way ticket to Trauma Town. Wanda is going to make Charlie suffer for this!

    For all the mistrust and unease between Parson and Wanda, Charlie just handed them the reason to work together against a detestable foe.


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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    Guys... Let's not take that "Scoobydom" spiel too seriously, shall we? This is Charlie, he's not randomly telling the truth about a situation that coincidentally just happens to overlap almost perfectly with the current one, he's spinning an anecdotal example of how things could go if Wanda accepts his offer. If he's a good liar (which he is), then it's possible that Scoobydom and Tweedledom were actually sides at one point - but that's how you make an effective lie, you add just enough truth for it to hold up under a cursory test.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    Oh man, this is shaping up to be a chimpanzee's projectile fight in a fan store here...

    I feel that Wanda might have agreed except for the flower offer... by Charlie yanking that chain on her, he just took it from 'beneficial offer' to 'attempt to control and manipulate', and Wanda? She's the manipulator, she's unlikely to take kindly to it.


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    Predictamancy: Wanda's condition will be for Charlie to put her through to Parson, and under no conditions interrupt the call. She will then tell him that Charlie is about to win, unless he turns to Transylvito immediately. After he does, Wanda will follow through with Charlie's plan. Parson won't be forced to turn to Charlescomm, and she is confident that Fate will ultimately see Parson to triumph over Charlie.

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    Luitz wrote:
    And regarding that... I'm just going to choke down the rage that apparently having the Archons torture Lillith en route to CC wasn't enough to trigger a single penalty, but apparently punching without the intent to croak was enough. :roll:


    Remember that all kinds of penalties vis-a-vis Lilith were avoided by virtue of the fact that Charlie acquired her while she was already a prisoner of Jetstone.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    rezby wrote:
    So the image in the middle... I'm having trouble parsing it. Obviously its the charlie's decrypted, but who is the other side they're attacking. I think that's... ansom? next to wanda?

    Yes, that looks like Ansom. If that's Wanda, it's an odd look for her. The thought of her conforming to someone else's uniform -- she hasn't done that since her stint in Faq. Also, she looks pale. (The boredom is entirely her, though.)

    As for the victims, I'm pretty the livery of "The Scream" marks them as a stereotypical simply-doomed side. (They could wear red shirts, but Stanley already has dibs on that.)

    Other note: unipegataurs look downright bizarre when they wear clothes, and doubly so when they wear hats. I almost thought it was a very tall but otherwise normal guy... who happened to have horse legs.

    Other-other note: I think it would be a hoot if the prospect of joining Charlescomm was the straw that finally made Ansom go, "Flip this, I'm turning back to Jetstone."

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    OverdrivePrime wrote:
    GaryThunder wrote:
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    Why do I get the feeling that tempting her with the flowers was a fatal mistake?


    Yup, nope. He doesn't really get why she places that flower on her livery. He thinks he played his trump card, but he just sealed his fate. Or his Fate as the case may be.

    Exactly. This is where Charlie's self-congratulatory smugness falls apart. For all of his power, for all of his wealth and for all of his skill at 11-dimensional chess, Charlie is just too disconnected from his own humanity to understand emotional needs and drives.

    There are thousands of ways he could have enticed Wanda, but waving around the one thing that actually holds power over her is only going to earn him a one-way ticket to Trauma Town. Wanda is going to make Charlie suffer for this!

    For all the mistrust and unease between Parson and Wanda, Charlie just handed them the reason to work together against a detestable foe.


    It's too bad Jillian likely doesn't remember the Deal of a Lifetime, because otherwise Wanda just received a super easy way to turn her against him.

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    He almost had her, then he mentioned the flowers.....

    When the prisoner wants the easy she gets the easy way. but when she wants the very easy way she gets the very hard way.

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    Shai hulud wrote:
    Well that was awkward. So much for peoples hope she was going to do something epic.


    Honestly, I do consider this her epic thing. It's definitely her best play. The Wanda we know (who once suggested to Parson that he should walk through Charlie's portal and let Fate sort everything out) would've tried something stupid and gotten shot. This might be the first time in the story that we've seen Wanda actually take Fate into her own hands and DO something of her own volition rather than just passively take the path of least resistance.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    Axiom wrote:
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    Well that was awkward. So much for peoples hope she was going to do something epic.


    Honestly, I do consider this her epic thing. It's definitely her best play. The Wanda we know (who once suggested to Parson that he should walk through Charlie's portal and let Fate sort everything out) would've tried something stupid and gotten shot. This might be the first time in the story that we've seen Wanda actually take Fate into her own hands and DO something of her own volition rather than just passively take the path of least resistance.

    But the Battle of Portal Park, which she took charge of and led...?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    Spicymancer wrote:
    For extra laughs, the hypothetical enemies are wearing the face from "The Scream" by Edvard Munch.


    Gotta be a munchkin pun then, to continue the legacy of El Efbaum.

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    Thanks for the explanations re: hypothetical future. Now it makes a lotta sense.

    One thing I find particularly of note is the dichotomy shown here between Charlie and Thinkamancers - He cannot make a "mental note", as evidenced by "He noticed Mae fussing with her hair. Bit of a procedural no-no, when you've got your rifle trained on a cartful of VIP casters. No way to make a note of it right now, though."

    Compare this to literally any of the thinkamancer long updates. So many of them feature one making a mental note. I don't recall the exact terminology they use, but they have all those thinkamancy tips and tricks that charlie doesn't. He just has really good spyware.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    i wonder if this is part of Marie's plan, be there with Jillian as the decrypted change colors and then shoot her as a Charelscomm unit triggering whatever penalty is in the deal of a lifetime that prompted Charlies unending protection.

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    rezby wrote:
    Thanks for the explanations re: hypothetical future. Now it makes a lotta sense.

    One thing I find particularly of note is the dichotomy shown here between Charlie and Thinkamancers - He cannot make a "mental note", as evidenced by "He noticed Mae fussing with her hair. Bit of a procedural no-no, when you've got your rifle trained on a cartful of VIP casters. No way to make a note of it right now, though."

    Compare this to literally any of the thinkamancer long updates. So many of them feature one making a mental note. I don't recall the exact terminology they use, but they have all those thinkamancy tips and tricks that charlie doesn't. He just has really good spyware.

    Charlie doesn't have a Thinkamancer brain. What he does have is a sophisticated surveillance and recording setup...which happens to be on the fritz for some crazy reason.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    Luitz wrote:
    I'm just going to choke down the rage that apparently having the Archons torture Lillith en route to CC wasn't enough to trigger a single penalty, but apparently punching without the intent to croak was enough. :roll:

    Torturing a prisoner doesn't cause material harm to the prisoner's Side. The prisoner is still a prisoner whether intact or inches from croaking, and the Side is still without them in either case.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 260
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    I'm betting one of Wanda's conditions is that she requires the pliers in hand before she makes any sort of move.

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    Just curious, I read Book Zero, but why are so many people so convinced that Charlie offering her Hero Buds is a fatal error? I could totally see her taking the bait and joining CC right now.

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