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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    Oooh... Wonder what Bill be up to soon?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    So it sounds like Dove was right, way back in Digdoug page 9. Predictamancy does, in fact, lock you into your fate.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    Ooooo, now that's a definition of Fate I can get behind. I've got to read it 4 or 5 m9re times just to understand it.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    Looks like Vanna's got her little claws into Bill. No surprise there.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    And here I thought things couldn't get any more busy and confusing. :lol:

    So it looks like everyone's plans will be going the way of the Hindenberg. All the powers that be will need many turns to put things back together again. And since Hamsters main power seems to be the ability to improvise his way out of most anything guess who will come out ahead in the long run.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    Hey, insight into how disciplines work (tinted through Thinkamancer lenses, but still). I like the idea that Predictamncers are casting self fulfilling prophesies, and had they not cast, there's a chance it wouldn't happen at all. What would Wanda do if she found out her 'fate' is only such because Marie keeps making it her fate, if that is indeed how it works?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    I wonder if the Thinkamancers have analysed their own tendency to rephrase other magics in Thinkamantic terms, and their assured knowledge that said explanation is obviously superior to other casters' interpretations.

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    Bill spying on Caeser and Parson shouldn't be helpful to Vanna unless Bill is a complete idiot. Parson and Caeser are clearly in an alliance, clearly working towards a common goal and clearly getting along.

    As for the Thinkamancer view on Fate, sounds like everything else the "Great Minds" have come up with, smug, inward-looking, satisfied by their own cleverness. The solution is entirely developed from within the metal box of their own prejudices and predeterminations. As far as they are concerned everyone no one else is as capable as they are and so they are the only ones whose opinions on anything matter.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    I like this mechanistic explanation of Fate -- it seems a lot more Erfworldly than the idea of a sentient being or beings manipulating strings in some novel way. It's juice and shmuckers all the way down.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    Hmmmm. I'm not sure I believe Rodger, but it does come close to what I wrote into Deus Erf. Though I postulated multiple outside setters of fate.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    Alright... How many of these secrets of Fate (and by extension, Numbers and Erf) can we crack out by class?

    Predictamancy - Mentioned; possibly the mere act of Prediction spells create paths of the future, self-fulling prophecies. Though Predictamancers believe Fate to be a force in itself

    Dollamancy - Mentioned; Fate controls everyone's lives by strings of a puppet

    Changemancy - Err... Alchemical self-improvement of the self?

    Thinkamancy - Mentioned; Cosmic Strings whatsi-whosits control all

    Signamancy - Intuition?

    Croakamancy - Mentioned; willing your own life own the life can produce powerful effects upon croaking in the process

    Carnymancy - Mentioned; wanting to find loopholes against the actor of Fate, staving off outcomes or modifying the end results

    Healomancy - All lives matter in some form or another?

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    Mage424 wrote:
    Hey, insight into how disciplines work (tinted through Thinkamancer lenses, but still). I like the idea that Predictamncers are casting self fulfilling prophesies, and had they not cast, there's a chance it wouldn't happen at all. What would Wanda do if she found out her 'fate' is only such because Marie keeps making it her fate, if that is indeed how it works?

    I think it is more accurate to state this is how Thinkamancers believe it works (they haven't substantiated the hypothesis) and like everything else they have made their minds up about if you don't Think Alike on it then you're as good as dead.

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    General Ashnak wrote:
    Bill spying on Caeser and Parson shouldn't be helpful to Vanna unless Bill is a complete idiot.


    So you're saying it will be very helpful?

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    It is breathtaking that Roger simultaneously recognizes that Predictamancers and Carnymancers are full of themselves for their insights on Fate, only to then go on to say that it's really Thinkamancers with that privilege.

    Anyway.

    It explains some of Jojos Carneymancy of Sylvia. He created a sort of Prediction / Dictum for how she ought to perish, and that's how, eventually, she did.

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     Post subject: Re: Book 3 - Page 255
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    This explains why Queen Bea's sacrifice has had such a massive impact, I guess. According to this outlook, her sacrifice was some kind of natural Croakamancy curse and a huge one at that.

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    greyknight wrote:
    I wonder if the Thinkamancers have analysed their own tendency to rephrase other magics in Thinkamantic terms, and their assured knowledge that said explanation is obviously superior to other casters' interpretations.

    I sincerely doubt it :) The failure to Think Alike results in death or being turned into a Baddie after all. Thinkamancers seem like a Stalin-esque communist society, just the iron fist is hidden inside a kit glove. I am so glad that their Iron Curtain appears to be falling.

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    Oh man, if true this is tragically hilarious, if the Predictamancers stopped predicting, Fate would be powerless. However, somehow I do not think this viewpoint is correct, at the least I think it is not the complete picture. Take Sylvia and her "fate" to croak in a fire for example. Which Predictamancer would have bothered to predict and therefore dictate the fate of a common stabber?

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    Mage424 wrote:
    I like the idea that Predictamncers are casting self fulfilling prophesies, and had they not cast, there's a chance it wouldn't happen at all. What would Wanda do if she found out her 'fate' is only such because Marie keeps making it her fate, if that is indeed how it works?

    She wouldn't care about Marie, she would be angry with Delphie Temple for destroying her side and getting Wanda sent to Haffaton with her incessant Predicting.

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